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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Predictably. But where are your genetics from? Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 1.18pm) An interesting 'British' flag too.
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Jun 24 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Eagle Black.
Not me gov, i'm british. Do you fly the Jamaican flag because of a feeling or is that where your family is from?
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
An interesting 'British' flag too. Quite common amongst minority communities. They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage. I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right. However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands. There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they are very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical. Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it. However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.17pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 3.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Quite common amongst minority communities. They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage. I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right. However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands. There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they have very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical. Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it. However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 2.20pm) My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable. Yep, I'd ban official dual nationalities myself but people can identify how they like, just as people can identify them how they like. Once the numbers within a minority demographic reach a critical mass within a localised area the need to identify with the host nation is far lower.....You see this happen in large Islamic communities for example and even in inner city London. The progressive left politically and from academia...especially in the US feeding and encouraging resentment narratives to minorities against white people also hampers the size of possible integration.....which never moved beyond 1 in 3 for significantly different ethnicities in the first place. It's the blueprint for lower trust societies which thus leads to higher crime and hence poorer societies. Areas become increasingly balkanized over time. It isn't rocket science and this was known generations ago.....Still, the story of how we got here won't be told in the mainstream because certain truths aren't fashionable. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.30pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
sorry to disagree Wisbech. DNA does matter. reference my opinion above. The locals must accept you as one of their own. Therefore a blonde kid, of European DNA, can be born and bred in Japan. The Japanese will never regard them the same as all the other kids in the class. Even if said kid can sound perfectly Japanese on the Phone. Wisbech, you probably blame the Japanese. The rest of us respect the wishes of 150 million people. In some societies, which are almost completely closed to others, genetics can be a marker used by that society. In those circumstances it seems unlikely that your kid would regard himself as Japanese, never mind how others regard him. It is though how you feel that matters. There are legal hurdles to establish your nationality but it’s the individual who determines their ethnicity. How could it be otherwise? We aren’t though considering the Japanese. We are considering who is English. The English people are an ethnic group. Ethnicity is defined by culture. Not by genes. Which have, in our case, been regularly subject to other influences anyway.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Don't be ridiculous. Ethnicity is a broad term that can mean just about anything, including genetic make up.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the same Nazi's that worshipped the English ? Hitler loved watching videos of a handful of Englishmen kicking ass in India. You did see the footage of Nazi's visiting England to go Foxhunting ? Their virulent Antisemitism was only counterpointed by their admiration for John Bull. Certainly in the early 1930s it seemed to be a bit of a Bromance from one bloody Empire to another. Hitler regarded the maps of the British Empire as evidence for much of his racial ideology. Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2024 10.53pm) That bromance has continued. There has always been an element of British society who would get irate if you suggested their views mirrored some of those held by the Third Reich, but look behind the veil and they were there. I encountered such an individual years ago who claimed he hated the Nazis and was simply an admirer of Powell, but that fell apart when we discovered he had a shrine to Hitler in his house. It continue today.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jun 24 9.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Being quarter french, quarter English & half nonsense you should know this, come back to me when you've finished studying it I am 100% English. Legally British. Ethnically English. DNA having no bearing on it at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable. What others see you as is an irrelevance! They can think whatever they like, that’s up to them. We all define our ethnicity for ourselves, depending on what group we believe we fit and that depends on culture. It’s not imposed on us by others. We don’t sit exams or be interviewed. Or take DNA tests.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have. Undoubtedly true. Your point being?
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