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OAPeagle 06 Nov 23 10.03am | |
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Well done lads. Tough to watch but at least kept our shape (I have many old memories of back 4 collapsing vs likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U (yes, really, they had a decent team 25yrs ago), etc. Still too many stray passes though - better practice that than building super fit athletes (with one or two notable exceptions!). Like Sheffield Utd, Luton and Bournemouth, Burnley have a one dimensional style of play which could well be their downfall. But for entertainment value, look to the bottom four, for capable but boring the next 6. By the way, is it just me or does anyone else keep looking at the various permutations necessary for how quickly we can overtake the seaweed? And now we don't play anyone above us for a whole month so, with a few key players back, a good chance to move higher. Over to you Roy.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Nov 23 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by OAPeagle
Well done lads. Tough to watch but at least kept our shape (I have many old memories of back 4 collapsing vs likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U (yes, really, they had a decent team 25yrs ago), etc. Still too many stray passes though - better practice that than building super fit athletes (with one or two notable exceptions!). Like Sheffield Utd, Luton and Bournemouth, Burnley have a one dimensional style of play which could well be their downfall. But for entertainment value, look to the bottom four, for capable but boring the next 6. By the way, is it just me or does anyone else keep looking at the various permutations necessary for how quickly we can overtake the seaweed? And now we don't play anyone above us for a whole month so, with a few key players back, a good chance to move higher. Over to you Roy. Good post OAPeagle agree, however whilst you may be looking at the weed I am relishing the fact that whilst we have some more desirable fixtures upcoming, Chelsea, who are three points behind us, have; Spurs, City, Newcastle, Brighton, United and away to Everton. If we put some distance between ourselves and them, I shall be Willo's proverbial Cheshire Cat at Xmas!
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MabbsWasKing 06 Nov 23 10.46am | |
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For me it is just about how narrow we defend which whilst serving us well means that other teams target one or other of our full backs. Both Ward and Mitchell have been targeted with an overload down one side in various games and struggled. In this situation they have an awful lot of space to cover often against two pacey players particularly if the bods in front of them are being lazy or switch off.
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Putitout Oxford 06 Nov 23 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I would venture that Palace fans want to see their team win. If that means having less possession than the opposition but being more effective with it, I for one am happy with that. Palace entertain me ,just because they are Palace. Not always pretty, not always satisfying in the sense of comparison to the style of the mega clubs of Europe .
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Nov 23 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Palace entertain me ,just because they are Palace. Not always pretty, not always satisfying in the sense of comparison to the style of the mega clubs of Europe . Precisely.
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OAPeagle 06 Nov 23 11.10am | |
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Yep Cheshire Cat, top 6 finish and it'll be pAlice in Wonderland. Originally posted by Nicholas91
Good post OAPeagle agree, however whilst you may be looking at the weed I am relishing the fact that whilst we have some more desirable fixtures upcoming, Chelsea, who are three points behind us, have; Spurs, City, Newcastle, Brighton, United and away to Everton. If we put some distance between ourselves and them, I shall be Willo's proverbial Cheshire Cat at Xmas!
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ambrose7 Croydon 06 Nov 23 2.41pm | |
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Originally posted by adelaar
We aren't comparing ourselves to Sheffield Utd, Luton and Burnley. I want to look up the table and be a top 10 team. We can look up the table, but we don't have a top 10 budget - not even close to it. The Brighton card gets pulled a lot but they're a freak example helped by: 1) a club structure that Potter benefitted from before De Zerbi; and 2) identifying a handful of players Chelsea were willing to pay miles over the odds for. They're only 3 points above us. Currently we're the best team in the league on position vs transfer expenditure: [Link] It'd be great if we could dominate the bottom 3 every time we face them but it just isn't going to happen, especially when the injury list is as it is in the attacking areas. You say yourself that we have a limited squad - a new manager doesn't change that. Just this weekend, Liverpool, Villa, United, Wolves all had simple-ish away games and were far from convincing so you take the win and the gameplan that got us it. Realistically, the plan seems to be that we'll: 1) sell at least one of the stars in the next 12 months for big money (Guehi perhaps the most likely) and hopefully reinvesting
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palace99 New Mills 06 Nov 23 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Palace entertain me ,just because they are Palace. Not always pretty, not always satisfying in the sense of comparison to the style of the mega clubs of Europe . Not sure i 100% agree. After over 10 years in the Prem should we not be aiming for a little more. Games are often decided on fine margins. If Forest had scored when the lob came off the post it would have been a very different game. Similarly, if the shot from the cut back on Saturday was on target rather than rolling across the face of our goal, the last 20 minutes would have been very different. The point is if you set up just to defend then this strategy will fail if there is an early goal - as per Newcastle a few weeks ago. For those who say we don't have the money etc and players are injured, there are limits to this argument. Over the summer we spent c£40m on a goalkeeper and a 19 year old Brazilian. Both may be excellent long term purchases but neither will feature much this season. In terms of injuries Olise was injured in the summer so we knew we didn't have him for a min of 3 months and we've known Zaha was leaving for over 2 years. When you compare us with say Brentford, who clearly don't have our resources, they are above us despite managing without their best player, Toney. They've also lost their goalie on the eve of the season, yet didn't panic. It just appears we don't really have a strategy and so a big injury or the odd transfer out shows how limited our squad is. Jan is African cup too so we could lose 3 players for 6 or so weeks.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 23 3.07pm | |
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Originally posted by palace99
Not sure i 100% agree. After over 10 years in the Prem should we not be aiming for a little more. Games are often decided on fine margins. If Forest had scored when the lob came off the post it would have been a very different game. Similarly, if the shot from the cut back on Saturday was on target rather than rolling across the face of our goal, the last 20 minutes would have been very different. The point is if you set up just to defend then this strategy will fail if there is an early goal - as per Newcastle a few weeks ago. For those who say we don't have the money etc and players are injured, there are limits to this argument. Over the summer we spent c£40m on a goalkeeper and a 19 year old Brazilian. Both may be excellent long term purchases but neither will feature much this season. In terms of injuries Olise was injured in the summer so we knew we didn't have him for a min of 3 months and we've known Zaha was leaving for over 2 years. When you compare us with say Brentford, who clearly don't have our resources, they are above us despite managing without their best player, Toney. They've also lost their goalie on the eve of the season, yet didn't panic. It just appears we don't really have a strategy and so a big injury or the odd transfer out shows how limited our squad is. Jan is African cup too so we could lose 3 players for 6 or so weeks. My understanding is that the fee for Henderson was £15 Mill rising to £20 Mill and for Franca it was around £17 Mill rising to around £26 Mill.
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CT Charlie 06 Nov 23 4.26pm | |
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The good thing about starting Ward is that we can predict the tactics of our opponents: they'll attack our right side. If we can provide him with defensive help from midfielders and Ayew, we can usually keep the opponents at bay for about 60 minutes. Then, given his tired legs, it's time to bring in a substitute. What we'll lose in positional play and experience, we'll make up in pace.
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Putitout Oxford 06 Nov 23 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by palace99
Not sure i 100% agree. After over 10 years in the Prem should we not be aiming for a little more. Games are often decided on fine margins. If Forest had scored when the lob came off the post it would have been a very different game. Similarly, if the shot from the cut back on Saturday was on target rather than rolling across the face of our goal, the last 20 minutes would have been very different. The point is if you set up just to defend then this strategy will fail if there is an early goal - as per Newcastle a few weeks ago. For those who say we don't have the money etc and players are injured, there are limits to this argument. Over the summer we spent c£40m on a goalkeeper and a 19 year old Brazilian. Both may be excellent long term purchases but neither will feature much this season. In terms of injuries Olise was injured in the summer so we knew we didn't have him for a min of 3 months and we've known Zaha was leaving for over 2 years. When you compare us with say Brentford, who clearly don't have our resources, they are above us despite managing without their best player, Toney. They've also lost their goalie on the eve of the season, yet didn't panic. It just appears we don't really have a strategy and so a big injury or the odd transfer out shows how limited our squad is. Jan is African cup too so we could lose 3 players for 6 or so weeks.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Nov 23 6.30pm | |
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Well said Putitout. I came to London and started watching Palace in the Allison years. We've certainly had our ups and downs since then and seen some pretty dire football (far worse than anything we've seen under Roy). I'm first and foremost a Palace fan irrespective of the style of football we play. Of course, I'd like to see us play more attacking and attractive football but my "likes" come second to wanting to see Palace win and stay in this top league as long as we can. We did a job on Burnley and earned our 3 points Edited by doombear (06 Nov 2023 6.30pm)
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