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silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 4.45pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I loathe the Lib Dems more than any other party. Edited by georgenorman (08 Jan 2024 4.35pm) I was leg pulling. BTW, note you edited. Was the pre-edited post a little fruitier?
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georgenorman 08 Jan 24 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I was leg pulling. BTW, note you edited. Was the pre-edited post a little fruitier? No, I misspelt loathe!
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Jan 24 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No, I misspelt loathe! Love ?
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jan 24 9.38am | |
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That tory MP supported by the public in subsequent polling. 'Three quarters of Britons think country in a worse state now than when Tories came to power in 2010'. Yougov sample of about 2,000 adults 8/1.
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The Dolphin 09 Jan 24 3.05pm | |
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Out of 2000 people - wow!
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jan 24 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That tory MP supported by the public in subsequent polling. 'Three quarters of Britons think country in a worse state now than when Tories came to power in 2010'. Yougov sample of about 2,000 adults 8/1. In 6 years time they will be wanting the Tories back. That's politics.
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eaglesdare 09 Jan 24 3.30pm | |
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Lol
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jan 24 4.46pm | |
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Starmer's big mistake to virtually exclude the left, unnecessary and self-harming, Blair and Wilson successful PMs did not do this. Also wrong to support Johnson's discredited Brexit deal and now over Gaza. But he's looking more and more like the PM in waiting. Back to square one with Labour Rishi, well we would be better off. Labour's economic record far better than the tories, even the tory Times admits it.
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georgenorman 09 Jan 24 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer's big mistake to virtually exclude the left, unnecessary and self-harming, Blair and Wilson successful PMs did not do this. Also wrong to support Johnson's discredited Brexit deal and now over Gaza. But he's looking more and more like the PM in waiting. Back to square one with Labour Rishi, well we would be better off. Labour's economic record far better than the tories, even the tory Times admits it. Vote for Corbyn's new party then.
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Matov 10 Jan 24 8.12am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Vote for Corbyn's new party then. Proof would be in the pudding then... If Corybn did launch a new political party then I genuinely don't see how anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left could still vote for a Starmer led Labour Party. With a Corbyn led Left Party potentially being very interesting. Must be some clever number crunching going on out there about the potential impact because whatever you might think of Corbyn, he can get the numbers out on the street in terms of being willing to go door to door for him (the 2017 GE gets woefully/deliberately ignored in my opinion but the machine he had around him did something quite remarkable). Throw in the Muslim discontent over Gaza and whilst it might not prevent Labour winning a GE, I suspect some pretty solid looking Labour majorities in urban seats might take a bit of a beating. Throw in a Reform party surge and we might see the big two polling potentially record % lows. But until the man actually throws his hat in the ring (and my understanding it that he is terrible ditherer along with not being ruthless enough when push comes to shove) merely an interesting distraction.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 24 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer's big mistake to virtually exclude the left, unnecessary and self-harming, Blair and Wilson successful PMs did not do this. Also wrong to support Johnson's discredited Brexit deal and now over Gaza. But he's looking more and more like the PM in waiting. Back to square one with Labour Rishi, well we would be better off. Labour's economic record far better than the tories, even the tory Times admits it. I don’t think it harms Labour at all. I think it helps them. Holding the centre is what wins elections. Those perceived as holding extreme views put people off. That’s as true for Labour with Corbyn as it is for the Tories with their right wing. Neither of the big parties will succeed if they allow such people to get into a dominant position, as Corbyn proved, so the best thing is to cut them out completely. They need a voice, but it needs to be a separate and distinctive voice away from a major party. It’s why it’s better for the right of the Tories to join Reform. Then people can decide whether they will vote for the extreme or the mainstream versions of their political leaning. I could never support a Labour Party which proposed the kind of policies that Corbyn believes in anymore than I could support a Tory Party led by anyone on the hard right.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think it harms Labour at all. I think it helps them. Holding the centre is what wins elections. Those perceived as holding extreme views put people off. That’s as true for Labour with Corbyn as it is for the Tories with their right wing. Neither of the big parties will succeed if they allow such people to get into a dominant position, as Corbyn proved, so the best thing is to cut them out completely. They need a voice, but it needs to be a separate and distinctive voice away from a major party. It’s why it’s better for the right of the Tories to join Reform. Then people can decide whether they will vote for the extreme or the mainstream versions of their political leaning. I could never support a Labour Party which proposed the kind of policies that Corbyn believes in anymore than I could support a Tory Party led by anyone on the hard right. Frankly, this is why our entire democracy is flawed and there is no choice between the two parties - despite all the failures of 'centrist' governments over the decades, this narrative that they're the 'sensibles' somehow prevails. 'Extreme views' FFS.
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