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robdave2k 31 May 23 5.04pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Mystifying, really, as striking is something the French are usually pretty good at. :-) Still one out, all out.
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31 May 23 5.04pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Mystifying, really, as striking is something the French are usually pretty good at.

:-)

Still one out, all out.

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Jacey 31 May 23 5.13pm
Originally posted by pax3908 Win ,lose or draw it doesn't matter now,it is more important Wilf makes his mind up what he wants to do,because his indecisiveness now if he stays or goes is cocking up the decision making,of who or what we need to get in for next season!!! Wilf is behaving like a spoilt brat!! Edited by Jacey (31 May 2023 6.22pm)
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31 May 23 5.13pm

Originally posted by pax3908

Win ,lose or draw it doesn't matter now,it is more important Wilf makes his mind up what he wants to do,because his indecisiveness now if he stays or goes is cocking up the decision making,of who or what we need to get in for next season!!!

Wilf is behaving like a spoilt brat!!

Edited by Jacey (31 May 2023 6.22pm)

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palace99 New Mills 31 May 23 5.17pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Wilf is still the difference between us and some teams in the League - and he still could be if he wants to stay. My take on it is that he wants 4 years and we don't. However - if he made the difference - total difference - as he would have done on Sunday - then he could add 20 points to the total when we play teams below or around us. He has a quality - still - that we don't possess without him. I would give him 4 years at £200k/week personally - £40m over 4 years - it will cost us that to buy even a shadow of Wilf, let alone the wages involved. £40m over 4 years - good value?? Firstly , let's get the figures correct. Add on employer national insurance of 13.8% and 52 weeks not 50 and it's over £47m. Then factor in the impact on wages across the squad. Every agent will be knocking on SP's door asking for a payrise. If Wilf is on £200k then surely our core performers should be on at least half. Guehi, Olise and Eze etc will get big pay rises as a consequence. Why is Wilf on £130k? Because the donkey Benteke was on £120k and Wilf is clearly better. His agent demanded an increase. Palace's wages have been far too high for our revenues for the last 5 or so years. That's the Benteke/Sakho effect. The same will happen if Wilf does re-sign on the wages that have been quoted.
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New Mills 31 May 23 5.17pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wilf is still the difference between us and some teams in the League - and he still could be if he wants to stay.
My take on it is that he wants 4 years and we don't.
However - if he made the difference - total difference - as he would have done on Sunday - then he could add 20 points to the total when we play teams below or around us.
He has a quality - still - that we don't possess without him.
I would give him 4 years at £200k/week personally - £40m over 4 years - it will cost us that to buy even a shadow of Wilf, let alone the wages involved.

£40m over 4 years - good value??

Firstly , let's get the figures correct. Add on employer national insurance of 13.8% and 52 weeks not 50 and it's over £47m.

Then factor in the impact on wages across the squad. Every agent will be knocking on SP's door asking for a payrise. If Wilf is on £200k then surely our core performers should be on at least half. Guehi, Olise and Eze etc will get big pay rises as a consequence.

Why is Wilf on £130k? Because the donkey Benteke was on £120k and Wilf is clearly better. His agent demanded an increase.

Palace's wages have been far too high for our revenues for the last 5 or so years. That's the Benteke/Sakho effect.
The same will happen if Wilf does re-sign on the wages that have been quoted.

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waddy Highton,Melbourne 31 May 23 5.31pm
The challenge the club has is - 1) offer him top wages way above the others yet he don’t perform as well ! 2) he stays but continues to pull up every 4th game with 5 games missed ! 3) let him go get two younger players for the price of him who have a point to prove ! 4) unleash Scott Banks ( many will moan his too young or not ready - well take the chance ) ! Just like they did with Zaha & AWB / Dean Gordon when they were young 5) throw caution to the wind that he decides to stay not throw a hissy & outplays like Modra has ! Forever Palace Proud
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Highton,Melbourne 31 May 23 5.31pm

The challenge the club has is -

1) offer him top wages way above the others yet he don’t perform as well !
2) he stays but continues to pull up every 4th game with 5 games missed !
3) let him go get two younger players for the price of him who have a point to prove !
4) unleash Scott Banks ( many will moan his too young or not ready - well take the chance ) ! Just like they did with Zaha & AWB / Dean Gordon when they were young
5) throw caution to the wind that he decides to stay not throw a hissy & outplays like Modra has !

Forever Palace Proud

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Jun 23 7.53pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Wilf is still the difference between us and some teams in the League - and he still could be if he wants to stay. My take on it is that he wants 4 years and we don't. However - if he made the difference - total difference - as he would have done on Sunday - then he could add 20 points to the total when we play teams below or around us. He has a quality - still - that we don't possess without him. I would give him 4 years at £200k/week personally - £40m over 4 years - it will cost us that to buy even a shadow of Wilf, let alone the wages involved. I suggest you take your rose-tinted spectacles off. 1. Wilf has scored just ONE goal since the World Cup and provided just 3 assists all season (which for a wide player is poor (compare with Olise's 11 assists). 2. As has already been mentioned, he failed to score against Forest in the away game. 3, We have performed well during these last 10 games when he has been largely absent. Given the above, where is your evidence that his presence last Sunday "would have made a total difference"? Furthermore, your suggestion that his presence would add 20 points to our total is IMHO laughable. It is vital that the club continues to realign its wage structure to a sustainable level and giving Zaha £200k a week will undermine that. Having said all that, I would not be averse to Zaha staying BUT IMO, it should be on a LOWER wage (to reflect his reducing contribution) and for no more than 2 years. Zaha is rightly considered one of the club's greatest ever attacking players (if not the greatest) and we owed our continued existence in the PL for most of the current spell largely to his contributions BUT he is no longer indispensable and it is probably best if he moves on to a team who will be playing European competition next season so he can have a chance to realize his dream. As for Palace, we need to move on and show (as we have been doing in recent games) that we can function well enough without Zaha. After all, the club's future lies in the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi etc. Zaha is increasingly the club's past.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Jun 23 7.53pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wilf is still the difference between us and some teams in the League - and he still could be if he wants to stay.
My take on it is that he wants 4 years and we don't.
However - if he made the difference - total difference - as he would have done on Sunday - then he could add 20 points to the total when we play teams below or around us.
He has a quality - still - that we don't possess without him.
I would give him 4 years at £200k/week personally - £40m over 4 years - it will cost us that to buy even a shadow of Wilf, let alone the wages involved.

I suggest you take your rose-tinted spectacles off.

1. Wilf has scored just ONE goal since the World Cup and provided just 3 assists all season (which for a wide player is poor (compare with Olise's 11 assists).

2. As has already been mentioned, he failed to score against Forest in the away game.

3, We have performed well during these last 10 games when he has been largely absent.

Given the above, where is your evidence that his presence last Sunday "would have made a total difference"?

Furthermore, your suggestion that his presence would add 20 points to our total is IMHO laughable.

It is vital that the club continues to realign its wage structure to a sustainable level and giving Zaha £200k a week will undermine that.

Having said all that, I would not be averse to Zaha staying BUT IMO, it should be on a LOWER wage (to reflect his reducing contribution) and for no more than 2 years.

Zaha is rightly considered one of the club's greatest ever attacking players (if not the greatest) and we owed our continued existence in the PL for most of the current spell largely to his contributions BUT he is no longer indispensable and it is probably best if he moves on to a team who will be playing European competition next season so he can have a chance to realize his dream.

As for Palace, we need to move on and show (as we have been doing in recent games) that we can function well enough without Zaha.

After all, the club's future lies in the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi etc. Zaha is increasingly the club's past.

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becky over the moon 01 Jun 23 8.28pm
Originally posted by doombear I suggest you take your rose-tinted spectacles off. 1. Wilf has scored just ONE goal since the World Cup and provided just 3 assists all season (which for a wide player is poor (compare with Olise's 11 assists). 2. As has already been mentioned, he failed to score against Forest in the away game. 3, We have performed well during these last 10 games when he has been largely absent. Given the above, where is your evidence that his presence last Sunday "would have made a total difference"? Furthermore, your suggestion that his presence would add 20 points to our total is IMHO laughable. It is vital that the club continues to realign its wage structure to a sustainable level and giving Zaha £200k a week will undermine that. Having said all that, I would not be averse to Zaha staying BUT IMO, it should be on a LOWER wage (to reflect his reducing contribution) and for no more than 2 years. Zaha is rightly considered one of the club's greatest ever attacking players (if not the greatest) and we owed our continued existence in the PL for most of the current spell largely to his contributions BUT he is no longer indispensable and it is probably best if he moves on to a team who will be playing European competition next season so he can have a chance to realize his dream. As for Palace, we need to move on and show (as we have been doing in recent games) that we can function well enough without Zaha. After all, the club's future lies in the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi etc. Zaha is increasingly the club's past. Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him... Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 01 Jun 23 8.28pm

Originally posted by doombear

I suggest you take your rose-tinted spectacles off.

1. Wilf has scored just ONE goal since the World Cup and provided just 3 assists all season (which for a wide player is poor (compare with Olise's 11 assists).

2. As has already been mentioned, he failed to score against Forest in the away game.

3, We have performed well during these last 10 games when he has been largely absent.

Given the above, where is your evidence that his presence last Sunday "would have made a total difference"?

Furthermore, your suggestion that his presence would add 20 points to our total is IMHO laughable.

It is vital that the club continues to realign its wage structure to a sustainable level and giving Zaha £200k a week will undermine that.

Having said all that, I would not be averse to Zaha staying BUT IMO, it should be on a LOWER wage (to reflect his reducing contribution) and for no more than 2 years.

Zaha is rightly considered one of the club's greatest ever attacking players (if not the greatest) and we owed our continued existence in the PL for most of the current spell largely to his contributions BUT he is no longer indispensable and it is probably best if he moves on to a team who will be playing European competition next season so he can have a chance to realize his dream.

As for Palace, we need to move on and show (as we have been doing in recent games) that we can function well enough without Zaha.

After all, the club's future lies in the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi etc. Zaha is increasingly the club's past.

Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him...

Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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southnorwoodhill 01 Jun 23 8.43pm
Originally posted by becky Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him... Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm) Never mind. The club isn't obliged to renew his contract, it's over. Maybe the BBC are looking for new presenters for MOTD...
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Originally posted by becky

Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him...

Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm)

Never mind. The club isn't obliged to renew his contract, it's over. Maybe the BBC are looking for new presenters for MOTD...

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Dubai Eagle 02 Jun 23 6.17am
I have no idea if all the talk of the £200, 000 a week offer is true, but the talk of it started back when PV was in charge, we were struggling for points & seemed to have lost our identity - So if the timing of the clickbait splurge is anything to go by maybe SP felt that with all of the problems we were having on the field that to risk loosing Wilf as well (or at least not doing everything he could to keep him) it could have at least had some elements of truth in it, however fanciful it might seem now sitting here after the season has finished with safety achieved- In any event, whatever the offer I am confident that SP has done everything he can to keep Wilf, as many others have said, whatever happens now is up to Wilf, but personally I think he is going to find that he is not as sought after as he thinks he is going to be (at least not at CL league level with a starting place in the side & silly money wages) Originally posted by becky Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him... Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm)
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02 Jun 23 6.17am

I have no idea if all the talk of the £200, 000 a week offer is true, but the talk of it started back when PV was in charge, we were struggling for points & seemed to have lost our identity -
So if the timing of the clickbait splurge is anything to go by maybe SP felt that with all of the problems we were having on the field that to risk loosing Wilf as well (or at least not doing everything he could to keep him) it could have at least had some elements of truth in it, however fanciful it might seem now sitting here after the season has finished with safety achieved-

In any event, whatever the offer I am confident that SP has done everything he can to keep Wilf, as many others have said, whatever happens now is up to Wilf, but personally I think he is going to find that he is not as sought after as he thinks he is going to be (at least not at CL league level with a starting place in the side & silly money wages)

Originally posted by becky

Only problem with that is that, frankly, no-one seems to want him...

Edited by becky (01 Jun 2023 8.28pm)

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dreamwaverider London 02 Jun 23 6.43am
Originally posted by palace99 £40m over 4 years - good value?? Firstly , let's get the figures correct. Add on employer national insurance of 13.8% and 52 weeks not 50 and it's over £47m. Then factor in the impact on wages across the squad. Every agent will be knocking on SP's door asking for a payrise. If Wilf is on £200k then surely our core performers should be on at least half. Guehi, Olise and Eze etc will get big pay rises as a consequence. Why is Wilf on £130k? Because the donkey Benteke was on £120k and Wilf is clearly better. His agent demanded an increase. Palace's wages have been far too high for our revenues for the last 5 or so years. That's the Benteke/Sakho effect. The same will happen if Wilf does re-sign on the wages that have been quoted. Right on the money. If he stays now he should be paid in line with our policies.
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Originally posted by palace99

£40m over 4 years - good value??

Firstly , let's get the figures correct. Add on employer national insurance of 13.8% and 52 weeks not 50 and it's over £47m.

Why is Wilf on £130k? Because the donkey Benteke was on £120k and Wilf is clearly better. His agent demanded an increase.

Palace's wages have been far too high for our revenues for the last 5 or so years. That's the Benteke/Sakho effect.
The same will happen if Wilf does re-sign on the wages that have been quoted.

Right on the money. If he stays now he should be paid in line with our policies.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 02 Jun 23 7.27am
The club should make his mind up for him, Thank you and goodbye. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 02 Jun 23 7.27am

The club should make his mind up for him, Thank you and goodbye.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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berlinpalace berlin 02 Jun 23 8.26am
[b] Originally posted by waddy The challenge the club has is - 1) offer him top wages way above the others yet he don’t perform as well ! 2) he stays but continues to pull up every 4th game with 5 games missed ! 3) let him go get two younger players for the price of him who have a point to prove ! 4) unleash Scott Banks ( many will moan his too young or not ready - well take the chance ) ! Just like they did with Zaha & AWB / Dean Gordon when they were young 5) throw caution to the wind that he decides to stay not throw a hissy & outplays like Modra has ! Scott Banks is already 21 and has had an ok season in League 2, maybe we can see if he’s ready to be ‘unleashed’ on League 1 before we build the team around him? But thanks, it made me laugh this morning.
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berlin 02 Jun 23 8.26am

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Originally posted by waddy

The challenge the club has is -

Scott Banks is already 21 and has had an ok season in League 2, maybe we can see if he’s ready to be ‘unleashed’ on League 1 before we build the team around him? But thanks, it made me laugh this morning.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Jun 23 9.41am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad The club should make his mind up for him, Thank you and goodbye. Probably not the way to send one of the club's most iconic players on his way. I would prefer simply to offer him a wage that is in line with our wage structure (less than he's getting now because his impact now is less than it was when he signed the last contract) with a two year term and an option to extend for 1 or 2 years depending on how Zaha plays and how his body stands up to the growing rigours of PL football.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Jun 23 9.41am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

The club should make his mind up for him, Thank you and goodbye.

Probably not the way to send one of the club's most iconic players on his way. I would prefer simply to offer him a wage that is in line with our wage structure (less than he's getting now because his impact now is less than it was when he signed the last contract) with a two year term and an option to extend for 1 or 2 years depending on how Zaha plays and how his body stands up to the growing rigours of PL football.

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