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You What se25 05 Oct 22 6.45am | |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
Don't shoot me down here but as a qualified referee I'll give my take on the Silva incident. Now clearly it was an obvious handball and it was what is known as a DOGSO (Denying a goal or an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity) When you get taught about this on your course you're told to take into account the Distance to the goal, the Direction the attacker is travelling and the distance of the defenders. I'll admit this one was a tough one but taking my Palace glasses off and putting my referee glasses on Ayew was to the left hand side of the pitch. His direction of travel was to the left and not towards the goal. His distance from goal was still about 35 yards and there was another defender, apart from Silva level with him or just behind him when the foul occurred. I think taking all that into consideration I can see why a yellow was given and not a red. However it was a tight one I'll admit. I hope this explains things a little bit for everyone. Edited by kennybrowns leftfoot (04 Oct 2022 11.48pm) How about the fact that he handled it twice deliberately?
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Dubai Eagle 05 Oct 22 6.56am | |
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I must admit that here we are on Wed morning, some of the dust has settled & I still firmly believe that as he was falling he knew 100% exactly what he was doing in reaching out for the ball to deflect it away from Ayew clear in the knowledge that Chelsea were already a goal down, Ayew would be through on goal & even though there was another defender on the other side of the box (Chillwell I think) Palace could also have poured supporting players forward & he didn't want to risk going into half time 2 down - Players at that level think fast & react fast, in my mind he knew the defence had been compromised, he blatantly cheated & hoped that if he played on trying to convince people that he grabbed at the ball as though he had been fouled & remonstrated with the ref enough he hoped that he wouldn't get penalised too severely - which is exactly what happened
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southnorwoodhill 05 Oct 22 7.27am | |
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Had another look at the handball reply and Ayew had Edouard in close support and Olise (unmarked) racing through the centre. A shocking, cynical decision by the referee to award only a yellow card.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 05 Oct 22 8.30am | |
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Its the sort of decision that because it was 30/40 yards out the refs can hide behind the was it an 'obvious goalscoring opportunity' question. You can debate that until the cows come home. What is clear and obvious is that he purposely cheated. Not sending him off makes it 'ok'. And its not.
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gloryhunter EDINBURGH 05 Oct 22 9.05am | |
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Originally posted by You What
How about the fact that he handled it twice deliberately? That, for me, should have been the clincher.
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Spiderman Horsham 05 Oct 22 9.59am | |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
Don't shoot me down here but as a qualified referee I'll give my take on the Silva incident. Now clearly it was an obvious handball and it was what is known as a DOGSO (Denying a goal or an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity) When you get taught about this on your course you're told to take into account the Distance to the goal, the Direction the attacker is travelling and the distance of the defenders. I'll admit this one was a tough one but taking my Palace glasses off and putting my referee glasses on Ayew was to the left hand side of the pitch. His direction of travel was to the left and not towards the goal. His distance from goal was still about 35 yards and there was another defender, apart from Silva level with him or just behind him when the foul occurred. I think taking all that into consideration I can see why a yellow was given and not a red. However it was a tight one I'll admit. I hope this explains things a little bit for everyone. Edited by kennybrowns leftfoot (04 Oct 2022 11.48pm) Thanks Kenny
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West Stand Dorchester 05 Oct 22 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by sprites
But surely the cynical nature of it HAS to come into it. Or some common sense. Or something. It was filthy. It seems so cruel that a complete accidental handball on a shot that may've been on target would be penalised with a red...but that from Silva gets a yellow. The word deliberate in Law 12 has long since been removed . The trouble always has been trying to get into the mind of the offender.
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CharlesPaterson 05 Oct 22 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
Don't shoot me down here but as a qualified referee I'll give my take on the Silva incident. Now clearly it was an obvious handball and it was what is known as a DOGSO (Denying a goal or an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity) When you get taught about this on your course you're told to take into account the Distance to the goal, the Direction the attacker is travelling and the distance of the defenders. I'll admit this one was a tough one but taking my Palace glasses off and putting my referee glasses on Ayew was to the left hand side of the pitch. His direction of travel was to the left and not towards the goal. His distance from goal was still about 35 yards and there was another defender, apart from Silva level with him or just behind him when the foul occurred. I think taking all that into consideration I can see why a yellow was given and not a red. However it was a tight one I'll admit. I hope this explains things a little bit for everyone. Edited by kennybrowns leftfoot (04 Oct 2022 11.48pm)
The player handled the ball and prevented Ayew from his run towards the goal with NO players within 10 yards. The real problem here is that the VAR panel also saw it only as a yellow. On a Sunday morning over Purley Way you would get half the refs giving it and half not, the bias for the top 6 is clear to see.
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 05 Oct 22 4.52pm | |
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Originally posted by You What
How about the fact that he handled it twice deliberately? Exactly. Forget the goal scoring opportunity argument for a second, it just clouds the issue. Handball 1 - yellow card.
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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 05 Oct 22 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
Hi Kenny - Probably not to be honest. As much as some players are better finishers than others that shouldn't be taken into account. The frustrating thing is, is if it had been even 10/15 yards further forward it would of been a definite red in my opinion. In my opinion I wouldn't class Ayews chance as an obvious goal scoring opportunity but that's just my opinion. On the other hand it doesn't seem fair that such a cynical act only gets a yellow. Its a bit like when Chielini (prob spelt wrong) pulled Rashfords shirt by the neck in the Euro Final on the half way line to stop him.. It was so cynical that a yellow didn't seem enough.
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southnorwoodhill 05 Oct 22 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Its the sort of decision that because it was 30/40 yards out the refs can hide behind the was it an 'obvious goalscoring opportunity' question. You can debate that until the cows come home. What is clear and obvious is that he purposely cheated. Not sending him off makes it 'ok'. And its not. He didn't cheat. The up to date euphemism is "clever". Clever now means cheated, but in a clever way. Showed intelligence to fool the referee. Clever. Edited by southnorwoodhill (05 Oct 2022 5.16pm)
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MrRobbo Chaldon 05 Oct 22 7.46pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
He didn't cheat. The up to date euphemism is "clever". Clever now means cheated, but in a clever way. Showed intelligence to fool the referee. Clever. Edited by southnorwoodhill (05 Oct 2022 5.16pm) Of course from Chelsea's side it was a smart move. Just a shame that the refs hide behind their rule book, rather than making an example and eradicating the clear and obvious cheating. But maybe that's what Palace are missing a bit of at the min. Some old fashioned 'street smarts'. The foul that prevents the break, the timewasting, the shirt tugs that go unnoticed. The things that he big teams do well and get away with it, and in tight games can be the difference between 1 and 3 points
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