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steeleye20 Croydon 07 May 23 7.51pm | |
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Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation. King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow. I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him. But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania. I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face. Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them. The commonwealth is turning against them. Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view.
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becky over the moon 07 May 23 8.08pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation. King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow. I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him. But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania. I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face. Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them. The commonwealth is turning against them. Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view. Apparently, they only actually arrested 52 who were suspected of the intention to use rape alarms to spook the horses in the parade. The remaining one hundred or so protesters were allowed to continue their peaceful protest in Trafalgar Square. Can you justify why the police should not have arrested people who had expressed (in public social media converstions) their intention to do this - and act which if successful could have resulted in carnage among innocent spectators? Can you actually comprehend how much damage, and even death, that several massive, out-of-control horses can do in a panic situation? Edited by becky (07 May 2023 8.08pm)
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steeleye20 Croydon 07 May 23 8.24pm | |
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You can be arrested, with the new police powers, not for committing an offence, but on grounds (what grounds they choose) that they suspect that you will do! No horses will be present after the coronation, but the new powers will apply. You can be arrested for peaceful protest in King Charles IIIs kingdom.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 07 May 23 8.33pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Apparently, they only actually arrested 52 who were suspected of the intention to use rape alarms to spook the horses in the parade. The remaining one hundred or so protesters were allowed to continue their peaceful protest in Trafalgar Square. Can you justify why the police should not have arrested people who had expressed (in public social media converstions) their intention to do this - and act which if successful could have resulted in carnage among innocent spectators? Can you actually comprehend how much damage, and even death, that several massive, out-of-control horses can do in a panic situation? And then they'd have the Animal Rights groups kicking off,...
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 07 May 23 9.17pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation. King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow. I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him. But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania. I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face. Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them. The commonwealth is turning against them. Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view. Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups.
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steeleye20 Croydon 07 May 23 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups. None of those things were present here, and even if they were it would be a small price to pay for our freedom. The job the police should be doing, clearing up crime, they are rubbish at, you are lucky if they can even be bothered. I used to berate the tories for cutting numbers, now they are restored I wish they had never bothered.
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cryrst The garden of England 07 May 23 10.16pm | |
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 07 May 23 10.20pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
None of those things were present here, and even if they were it would be a small price to pay for our freedom. The job the police should be doing, clearing up crime, they are rubbish at, you are lucky if they can even be bothered. I used to berate the tories for cutting numbers, now they are restored I wish they had never bothered.
But that is the problem…the protest movement has upped the fear factor thereby necessitating action by the police to prevent possible violent or disruptive action by the protesters. Remember the innocent guy marching up the high street with the sandwich board stating that the end is nigh. He wasn’t a threat to anybody. Rape alarms, smoke bombs, megaphones are all disruptive, and just as important is designed to spoil the occasion for people who want to celebrate the event. As I stated, the protest movement’s previous actions have resulted in the new laws; it’s their own fault that they now find themselves being restricted.
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sydtheeagle England 07 May 23 11.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
the protest movement has upped the fear factor thereby necessitating action by the police to prevent possible violent or disruptive action by the protesters. Once you start arresting people in anticipation of what they might do rather than what they have done, you're living in the first days of a failing state. Because when you open that particular set of floodgates, history repeatedly tells you where you end up. And it's not a good place. What you describe above is simply the failure to adequately police one specific group and, rather than improve the way they're being policed, you deem it easier to just arrest anyone and everyone in case they behave the same way. Once you start doing that, abuse of such outrageous powers inevitably follows. That's anything but competent policing and it's a fast road to making society far more dangerous, not safer.
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cryrst The garden of England 08 May 23 5.51am | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Once you start arresting people in anticipation of what they might do rather than what they have done, you're living in the first days of a failing state. Because when you open that particular set of floodgates, history repeatedly tells you where you end up. And it's not a good place. What you describe above is simply the failure to adequately police one specific group and, rather than improve the way they're being policed, you deem it easier to just arrest anyone and everyone in case they behave the same way. Once you start doing that, abuse of such outrageous powers inevitably follows. That's anything but competent policing and it's a fast road to making society far more dangerous, not safer. I would have thought forcefully removed to eliminate the potential for disruption which could cause harm to innocent attendees was more the case. ‘Arrested’ means something different. It means they have committed a crime. The fact they needed handcuffs clearly shows how single minded the protesters were. Ironically you could use your analogy on any given recent terrorist arrest for conspiring or preparing to commit acts of terror. Would you be happy if the plod waited for the bomb, bullet or knife attack before acting just to fulfil the uman rights of said person !? Edited by cryrst (08 May 2023 5.54am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 23 7.27am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups. They will have their day in court. The Republican protestors claims that the Lock On devices were simply to hold the placards in place. Well that should be simple to prove. These days protestors have lock on devices that cannot be simply cut and the police need specialist equipment to free protestors who have chained themselves to something. If they are carrying those type then I don't believe them nor will a court. If on the another hand they were carrying a piece of string or a fabric strap that can be cut easily then I think they have a point. I also note that the leader was held for 16 hours before being released. Funny that, what happened to the police arresting eco protestors in the morning and they were back protesting in the afternoon. So when the police want to they can make it difficult.
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YT Oxford 08 May 23 8.19am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I would have thought forcefully removed to eliminate the potential for disruption which could cause harm to innocent attendees was more the case. ‘Arrested’ means something different. It means they have committed a crime. The fact they needed handcuffs clearly shows how single minded the protesters were. Ironically you could use your analogy on any given recent terrorist arrest for conspiring or preparing to commit acts of terror. Would you be happy if the plod waited for the bomb, bullet or knife attack before acting just to fulfil the uman rights of said person !? Edited by cryrst (08 May 2023 5.54am) Lefties like him always stick up for the criminal because it suits their obsessive anti-Tory agenda. In response to people being sent to prison, they'll retort that more should be done to prevent crime rather than banging people up. Well here we have a perfect example of a crime prevention exercise. As an aside, I personally know people who went to London on Saturday who would have had no hesitation in "taking out" troublemakers ie by taking the law into their own hands, and I suspect many, many people there would have been similar. I therefore praise the police for removing the intended protesters to a safe place for their own protection.
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