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  Hrolf The Ganger  02 Feb 22 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whether Judaism constitutes a race or not she seemed to be saying that the deaths if 6,000,000 people would have been worse had the holocaust been racially motivated.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Feb 22 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Jews are not a race. William Shatner is Jewish. It would be true to say that significant numbers of Jews have similar genetic backgrounds, and that is simply because they mostly only marry their own. This is by no means universal. This is all just a way to separate Jewishness from everyone else. Like somehow Jews are 'special'. 'The chosen ones'. Well, that is bollocks and rather ironic bollocks, since that is exactly the same kind of nonsense that Nazis believed in. You could’ve saved 6 million if you were around in the late ‘30s to mid ‘40s. It didn’t matter if you’d never been to a synagogue in your life. If your nose and eyes fit the measurements that fall into the skull dimensions of Israeli heritage jews, a yellow star you’ll wear while they determine your fate.
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Teddy Eagle  02 Feb 22 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Should be the motto of the BBC.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 22 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You could’ve saved 6 million if you were around in the late ‘30s to mid ‘40s. It didn’t matter if you’d never been to a synagogue in your life. If your nose and eyes fit the measurements that fall into the skull dimensions of Israeli heritage jews, a yellow star you’ll wear while they determine your fate. Well, certainly to downplay the Holocaust or to try to create some sort of league table of genocide or cruelty is offensive and stupid, but the fact that Jews originating from the Middle East are largely genetically similar does not make a religion a race. I'm sure even the blondest Jews would have ended up in the gas chamber had they been discovered, although, I suppose, it is easier to identify your chosen enemy if they all look alike.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Feb 22 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You could’ve saved 6 million if you were around in the late ‘30s to mid ‘40s. It didn’t matter if you’d never been to a synagogue in your life. If your nose and eyes fit the measurements that fall into the skull dimensions of Israeli heritage jews, a yellow star you’ll wear while they determine your fate. My neighbour is 91 and born in Germany, she showed me her school photo of when she was 11. It was the photo required to prove she wasn't a Jew and allowed her to attend Secondary school. Luckily for her she didn't look Jewish unfortunately some of her relatives weren't so lucky and died in the camps. She had me in tears when she told me about what happened to some of her family.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 02 Feb 22 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Well, this was, presumably, the item that caused the latest statement to be issued.... "Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple times"
Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry. |
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Feb 22 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
And allegedly she is smashing the "ladies" records. Not right At least the word 'records' is in that statement.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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BlueJay  UK 02 Feb 22 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I rarely agree with David Baddiel but I did with his comment on this yesterday that embarrassed this idiot celebrity. He explained that although white, Jews are considered a different white by far white extremists and Jewish is in blood and DNA. Plus the Nazis aims were race based. This isn’t the first time Whoopie Goldberg has put her foot in her mouth and it won’t be the last. It’s like some are trying for a league table on persecution and I suspect that the Jewish people turning round their disgraceful experiences doesn’t sit well with some. Edited by Rudi Hedman (02 Feb 2022 1.36pm) Well said.
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| BlueJay UK 02 Feb 22 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
My neighbour is 91 and born in Germany, she showed me her school photo of when she was 11. It was the photo required to prove she wasn't a Jew and allowed her to attend Secondary school. Luckily for her she didn't look Jewish unfortunately some of her relatives weren't so lucky and died in the camps. She had me in tears when she told me about what happened to some of her family. Exactly. We can split hairs about definitions, but that doesn't mean an awful lot where atrocities result. As has been said, far right types appear to have very little trouble differentiating themselves from Jews. And Nazis were very racially geared. Those in these groups to an extent in part define themselves, and very strict, unchanging definitions of race have an expiry date on them anyway in a fast paced, connected world.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whether Judaism constitutes a race or not she seemed to be saying that the deaths if 6,000,000 people would have been worse had the holocaust been racially motivated. The version of Whoopi Goldberg we get now seems quite different to the one we had in the eighties and nineties.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 3.53pm |
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Oh the JQ....fraught with danger. If you don't adhere to strict interpretations the weight of the mainstream will come squarely down on your backside.....As Goldberg is finding out....though her millionaire victimhood 'protected characteristics' will spare her the job. Of course the holocaust was race based, in the thirties the Nazis passed laws that were entirely based upon race that allowed it to be set up. Goldberg probably doesn't know that. She should have the right to air her views and for it to be debated....but I note that the time she lives in isn't interested. No one's allowed to speak who differs in any interpretation that offends those in power. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 3.54pm)
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Feb 22 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Exactly. We can split hairs about definitions, but that doesn't mean an awful lot where atrocities result. As has been said, far right types appear to have very little trouble differentiating themselves from Jews. And Nazis were very racially geared. Those in these groups to an extent in part define themselves, and very strict, unchanging definitions of race have an expiry date on them anyway in a fast paced, connected world.
A very good point. It seems as though there is real ambiguity around the definitions or understanding of race, culture, heritage and experience for some people. Nicely articulated BJ (noting hilarious acronym there) with regards to results/consequences of an insistence on categorisation being of far more importance. A bit off topic, and just a thought not an academic proposal, but it occurs to me that those so desperately seeking to categorise themselves often do so with an intentional, or perhaps unintentional consequence of categorising and consequentially persecuting others.
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