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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Aug 21 1.55pm | |
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The Afghan army fought valiantly for their country and suffered 70,000 dead. They were hung out to dry by first Trump, and then Biden. To use them as a scapegoat shows the moral bankruptcy of the USA and UK, we are both utter s***e. Access to equipment and personnel were removed in advance to prevent any effective resistance to the taliban. The analysis by Mrs May and defence secretary, that Trump's offer to the taliban with a timetable and definite withdrawal date, a fatal error, at the time Afghanistan was stable and calm. But Biden, what an a****e he turned out to be, 'f**k them' his reply to Afghan humanitarian concerns. The intelligence also not believable (Mrs May), Biden did know the taliban would win, he planned for it, despite saying in July it was not possible.
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Orange1290 18 Aug 21 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, while they harvest the organs of Muslims in China and feck the Islam out of their women. Yeah, you think the Taliban are stupid. They will play them right back when it suits. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 1.49pm)
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Matov 18 Aug 21 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I think it is a little unfair to blame the Afghan Military as a whole. Disclaimer: there were clearly huge problems with discipline within the ranks of the ANA. However in their defence 80,000 Afghan soldiers died fighting the Taliban over the last 20 years. Trump had reduced the numbers of US military down to something like 2500 troops who were acting in a Support role, the ANA was quite happily holding its own. So I would say the ANA clearly did have the stomach for a fight, Biden's catastrophic cut & run was the catalyst for the collapse, couple that with the lack of US air support calling in Air strikes on Taliban targets, the Afghan government being weak as f***, and ANA commanders cutting deals with the Taliban and disappearing caused the whole thing to collapse there simply was no chain of command, once there is no plan things quickly deteriorate into chaos. What we now know is, there are at least 10,000 US personnel dotted all across Afghanistan completely cut off with no way to get to Kabul, Biden's Military advisors told him not to do what he did but he ignored them and pushed ahead with his plan anyway. And this mad c*** is still President. My understanding is that many of the issues you state at the beginning were amongst the Afghan police, not their Army. With, and again always happy to be schooled if I am wrong, the Army being paid directly by the US. This supposed total collapse narrative makes little sense on so many levels but I am more than willing to be convinced otherwise.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 18 Aug 21 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
can anyone in power be trusted in a crisis ? Making promises/pledges/commitments that we are incapable of keeping to any meaningful degree. We can't even keep our ex-service personnel off the streets. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2021 10.56am) They sure can-trusted to take full advantage of the crisis to line their and their friends pockets! Definition of crisis in the Eton dictionary- Great business opportunity ! Apparently the Afghan president had a copy!
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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 21 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Yeah the Chinese are really dumb, yeah Never said that. You however appear to think everyone else is.
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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Aug 21 2.40pm | |
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Protests in Afghan cities by citizens with their Afghan national flags. Praise for their courage. Being put down by force, thank you President Biden.
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Orange1290 18 Aug 21 2.40pm | |
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Oh dear, yet again, please quote where I said that 'everyone else is stupid'. Just like your claim about me being 'anti-white' on the other thread, you're resorting to personal attacks and claims that are baseless. That's a sign you've lost the debate, same old, same old result. Edited by Orange1290 (18 Aug 2021 2.40pm)
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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 21 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Oh dear, yet again, please quote where I said that 'everyone else is stupid'. Just like your claim about me being 'anti-white' on the other thread, you're resorting to personal attacks and claims that are baseless. That's a sign you've lost the debate, same old, same old result. Edited by Orange1290 (18 Aug 2021 2.40pm)
That's a bit dim, I never said you stated that, it's an inference from your post. How can I lose a debate to an orange? You're just a troll talking crap.....entertaining on that level but you don't have anything serious to say because like your 'racism' claims your own posts are shot through with holes. You are literally what you claim for others.
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Orange1290 18 Aug 21 2.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's a bit dim, I never said you stated that, it's an inference from your post. How can I lose a debate to an orange? You're just a troll talking crap.....entertaining on that level but you don't have anything serious to say because like your 'racism' claims your own posts are shot through with holes. You are literally what you claim for others.
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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 21 2.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
More personal insults but wasted as you've lost the debate, so save them to end one of the other debates as you'll need them. A troll moaning about 'personal insults'? A snowflake troll as well....Surely if you're going to throw the crap around you can't cry if some rebounds off the wall. Spicy orange are you really 16 or something? Are you sure you don't need to see a counsellor to talk about your issues? Take some time, we'll be here when you get back. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 2.53pm)
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Orange1290 18 Aug 21 3.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A troll moaning about 'personal insults'? A snowflake troll as well....Surely if you're going to throw the crap around you can't cry if some rebounds off the wall. Spicy orange are you really 16 or something? Are you sure you don't need to see a counsellor to talk about your issues? Take some time, we'll be here when you get back. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 2.53pm)
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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 21 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Keep 'em coming, keep digging that hole for yourself deeper and deeper lol. Still using 'lol'? Really cool that.
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