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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 31 Jul 23 7.56am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

David Icke, for me, is very good at spinning a yarn, but falls somewhat short of any revelations and ends up with more questions, rather than answers.
I am more inclined to believe that military aircraft are responsible for most sightings of UFOs or UPAs. Just because we have a large number of amateur astronomers who have never witnessed vehicles from another planet flying towards earth.
Like Icke, I do wonder to what end the US military publicising 'UPA events' is heading towards. I would think a large number of the population are very sceptical (like myself) of visiting alien life, and it would take something huge to change that opinion, not just testimony and vagueness from ex-pilots.
Covid was a much easier way to get public compliance, than concocting aliens.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jul 23 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

David Icke, for me, is very good at spinning a yarn, but falls somewhat short of any revelations and ends up with more questions, rather than answers.
I am more inclined to believe that military aircraft are responsible for most sightings of UFOs or UPAs. Just because we have a large number of amateur astronomers who have never witnessed vehicles from another planet flying towards earth.
Like Icke, I do wonder to what end the US military publicising 'UPA events' is heading towards. I would think a large number of the population are very sceptical (like myself) of visiting alien life, and it would take something huge to change that opinion, not just testimony and vagueness from ex-pilots.
Covid was a much easier way to get public compliance, than concocting aliens.

A reasonable argument, except for one major problem.

Sighting have been made since antiquity and more recently, in WW2 for example, pilots were seeing 'foo fighters' on bombing raids.
Even later in the '50s, '60s and '70s is it really likely that we had aircraft that could go at speeds much faster than conventional jets, make right angled turns and make no sound when breaking the sound barrier?

If we did, they must have come from somewhere else originally

I posted a thread on this in News section.

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 31 Jul 23 3.50pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

a related point for those who think this all credulous madness - Francis Crick, co-discover of the DNA helix, was a materialist and atheist who thought the universe was all matter and energy and nothing else, but he did not believe that DNA could ever emerge out of inorganic chemicals, and cell membranes are another unsolvable problem, he thought it more likely that viral and bacterial material passed through space - and Sir Fred Hoyle, another giant of science and architect of the field of bio-chemistry also though the emergence of DNA by random was impossible (the odds he quoted of it happening were a google to one!). Hoyle speculated that this viral material would be carried by comets, and lo and behold he was proved right (billions of tons of this stuff have been found in comets). Hoyle maintained that microbial life was found on Mars by Viking. Crick did not go with the comet theory but speculated, more plausibly to himself, that 'panspermia' originated from alien civilisations sending out viral and microbial material. So it's not all Twilight Zone - you can't answer certain questions without resorting to God or aliens, even if you're a confirmed atheist like these two were.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jul 23 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I can definitely confirm that the big bang happened and more than once.

I experienced quite a few in the nineties after drunken nights in nightclubs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jul 2023 4.05pm)

 


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PalaceDaysx Flag London 31 Jul 23 4.19pm Send a Private Message to PalaceDaysx Add PalaceDaysx as a friend

Originally posted by BarEagle

That’s the end of the debate then, no?

They’re real...

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You know you've seen a black and white picture with metrics you don't understand and saying its aliens.

Your sentence is usually "I don't know what that UFO is therefore it must be aliens".

Your sentence should be "I don't know what that is" and ends there. If you don't know what it is, how is your conclusion aliens?

I'm not saying I don't believe in aliens its just that there needs to be good evidence before you can say so.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jul 23 5.30pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by PalaceDaysx

You know you've seen a black and white picture with metrics you don't understand and saying its aliens.

Your sentence is usually "I don't know what that UFO is therefore it must be aliens".

Your sentence should be "I don't know what that is" and ends there. If you don't know what it is, how is your conclusion aliens?

I'm not saying I don't believe in aliens its just that there needs to be good evidence before you can say so.

To be fair, there aren't many options.

Personally, I believe that much of what people see beyond the obvious are secret military craft. But it is also possible that many of those are using technology from somewhere else.

It is difficult to imagine that aliens are flying around our airspace all the time, so that explanation seems more feasable to the sceptical mind.

If you have seen one of these things, then you know what you know.

There are many things in the sky these days. Satellites in large numbers, drones, strobe lights, weather balloons, Chinese lanterns along with lots of planes. When you see these things, you do not suddenly decide you have seen a UFO.

When you see something that does stuff that is truly extraordinary, you can't just explain it away.

 

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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 31 Jul 23 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

a related point for those who think this all credulous madness - Francis Crick, co-discover of the DNA helix, was a materialist and atheist who thought the universe was all matter and energy and nothing else, but he did not believe that DNA could ever emerge out of inorganic chemicals, and cell membranes are another unsolvable problem, he thought it more likely that viral and bacterial material passed through space - and Sir Fred Hoyle, another giant of science and architect of the field of bio-chemistry also though the emergence of DNA by random was impossible (the odds he quoted of it happening were a google to one!). Hoyle speculated that this viral material would be carried by comets, and lo and behold he was proved right (billions of tons of this stuff have been found in comets). Hoyle maintained that microbial life was found on Mars by Viking. Crick did not go with the comet theory but speculated, more plausibly to himself, that 'panspermia' originated from alien civilisations sending out viral and microbial material. So it's not all Twilight Zone - you can't answer certain questions without resorting to God or aliens, even if you're a confirmed atheist like these two were.

There's a great line in a book called 'Do You Believe in the Afterlife?", where a question is asked whether the recipient believes we are the only life in the Universe. You never hear the reply but the follow up question is: "So do you think we are the start of life in the Universe or the end of it?" Are we the first forms of life or has all life retreated to this Earth and it is the last bastion of living things. We could be alone but there are so many other galaxies that would suggest that somebody somewhere should be advanced enough to visit us.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 01 Aug 23 6.45pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

This is why we don't have visitors from another planet.
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"Nasa has picked up a "heartbeat" signal from its Voyager 2 probe after it lost contact with it billions of miles away from Earth, the space agency said.
Last month, the spacecraft - exploring the universe since 1977 - tilted its antenna to point two degrees away from Earth after a wrong command was sent.
As a result, the probe stopped receiving commands or sending data

But on Tuesday, Nasa said a signal from Voyager 2 was picked up during a regular scan of the sky.

Voyager 2 is more than 12.3 billion miles (19.9 billion km) from Earth, where it is hurtling at an estimated 34,390mph (55,346km/h) through interstellar space - the space between the stars.

If we can find Voyager at this distance, we should be able to see aliens from another planet long before they land in people's gardens

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Aug 23 7.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

This is why we don't have visitors from another planet.
[Link]
"Nasa has picked up a "heartbeat" signal from its Voyager 2 probe after it lost contact with it billions of miles away from Earth, the space agency said.
Last month, the spacecraft - exploring the universe since 1977 - tilted its antenna to point two degrees away from Earth after a wrong command was sent.
As a result, the probe stopped receiving commands or sending data

But on Tuesday, Nasa said a signal from Voyager 2 was picked up during a regular scan of the sky.

Voyager 2 is more than 12.3 billion miles (19.9 billion km) from Earth, where it is hurtling at an estimated 34,390mph (55,346km/h) through interstellar space - the space between the stars.

If we can find Voyager at this distance, we should be able to see aliens from another planet long before they land in people's gardens

Again, you are making assumptions.

One, that NASA, NORAD or any other defence system doesn't actually see them and keeps it a secret, or that the aliens would allow us to.

In the end, people want physical evidence. They want the alien body or the crashed spacecraft. They are unlikely to get either any time soon. Even if they do, many still wouldn't believe it.

I personally think we are in the process of a slow disclosure.

Governments could have been lying to us for decades over this.
They will most likely engage in a little charade to avoid acknowledging that. There could also be very important national security reasons why the whole truth must be obscured.
Worst of all, governments might have done things involving ETs that the public could not stomach. After all, they killed the Kennedys and a host of others, and they will never own up to that. Of that I'm very confident.

All stuff involving aliens is guess just work of course. Without the facts, that's all any of us have.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Aug 23 8.50am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

There probably is life out there. I am generally of the mind that comets have seeded the universe with biological material. What I am minded to say is that the distances involved to travel to other works are so fantastically large to mean human travel is not viable.
Aliens may have other transportation devices, but still the lack of evidence for alien existence is my main concern. If grainy black and white photos is the best proof we can manage, I think a court of law would chuck the case out. (unless the jury were made of Klingons and the judge was a Vulcan)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Aug 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

There probably is life out there. I am generally of the mind that comets have seeded the universe with biological material. What I am minded to say is that the distances involved to travel to other works are so fantastically large to mean human travel is not viable.
Aliens may have other transportation devices, but still the lack of evidence for alien existence is my main concern. If grainy black and white photos is the best proof we can manage, I think a court of law would chuck the case out. (unless the jury were made of Klingons and the judge was a Vulcan)

If an unelected body within government stops at nothing to keep all such things secret, what sort of evidence would you expect to find?

There is plenty of testimony from credible people which would be believed by a court if it involved just about anything else.

Among all the misdirection and daft stuff, there is enough here to indicate that something is going on.

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 02 Aug 23 10.45am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If an unelected body within government stops at nothing to keep all such things secret, what sort of evidence would you expect to find?

There is plenty of testimony from credible people which would be believed by a court if it involved just about anything else.

Among all the misdirection and daft stuff, there is enough here to indicate that something is going on.

Very true Hrolf. My wife has recently been watching Ancient Aliens on TV and, whilst I remain somewhat sceptical, there are some strange phenomena out there that seem very difficult to understand from a purely rational standpoint.

 


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