Instead of immigration, a population can be encouraged to reproduce through incentives such as tax allowances or provision of free child care etc. Some countries offer cash payments to people that have children.

Red and Blue Army!

So lets look at what this internationalist said about Japan. A large part of his argument seems to be built apon the view that unless Japan is exactly the same as Britain then we can't have an immigration policy that protects nativism as they do.

It's a statement that has no foundation but he just puts it out there as if it has relevance.

Anyway, lets address each of his points in turn.

Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do.

For one....so what.
Japan had an extensive and far reaching empire which continues to affect it and families to this day. It doesn't change the fact that people want to move to Japan and become Japanese and Japan doesn't allow it.

Because it knows that Japan isn't Japan without the Japanese and allowing its gene pool to be diluted in any significant extent will mean their slow death.

They don't have to deal with large groups of immigrants calling them racist, nor appeasing religious groups because they fear being blown up......and they don't have a traitorous internal class who are anti Japanese.

So what's next....'They don't speak English'.

? The most popular language spoken in the world is Spanish....So has Spain's capital of Madrid been lost to foreigners? Do people call Madrid, 'not a Spanish city' because of the number of Spanish speakers in the world. No, because it doesn't matter what the language is, what matters is the governmental policy.

Yet more disingenuous nonsense from its past master.

What's next? 'Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe'.

Japan isn't 'isolated' in any sense of the world. It's a hugely popular destination both for tourists and for trade and cultural exchange all over the world.....Isolated? What a load of old tosh. We have frigging Nissan in Sunderland for god's sake.

Next....'Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants'.

It's an outright falsehood that this country has ever been in favour of increased immigration. All the national polls carried out on immigration have always pinpointed dissatisfaction not acceptance.

WE is referring to a minority of people like himself and he doesn't represent the majority viewpoint on immigration in the country....the only place he fits in with on immigration is on the left.....which he continually tells us he isn't a part of.

This guy even makes this point after the evidence of Brexit is staring him in the face.

Finally he linked me to a pro immigration website which falsely suggests that Japan is accepting immigration.

No, Japan is increasing the numbers of foreign workers....it is not allowing naturalization or for those workers to become Japanese citizens.

No one from my side of the debate has an issue with that shift.

Yet another attempt from globalists to try to counter those against their elitist corporate desire to strip nations of their heritage.....and they are quite happy to spread disinformation and lies as they go.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2020 10.58am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Here we go again! My adversary making more pointless responses.

Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do.

Of course Japan has AN empire! The comment wasn't that it didn't but that it's legacy is different. And it is very, very different to ours.

They don't speak English

It matters not because of the number of people who speak it but because of who and where it is spoken. English is the language of commerce and the USA.

Actually Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world, with English second. Spanish comes 4th behind Hindustani and is only spoken by a little over half as many of those who speak English.

So not only missing the point but getting basic facts wrong too!

Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe

The isolation which impacts immigration is physical. We have a close proximity to our European neighbours and the free movement of people within the EU. Japan has none of these.

Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants'.

With Japan facing the same aging population problems as other developed countries they apparently are quietly adopting similar solutions.

The resistance of the people there means this isn't given a lot of publicity and they certainly make it hard for newcomers to become citizens but I suspect it doesn't matter so much. The Turkish guest workers in Germany seem pretty permanent residents now.

To deny this isn't happening is to deny reality. To hold Japan up as an example of how things ought to be is a nonsense when I suspect on similar forums in Japan someone is now holding us up as an example of how they ought to be.

The times are changing for everyone. This isn't 1950. It's 2020.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

We all know there is a declining birth rate in Europe and the US and we all know that the rate of migration to those areas is too high and will be catastrophic to our culture and ultimately, our very existence.

We have to greatly limit the influx immediately.

The only effect that mass immigration has is to make rich multinationals richer and serve the increasing population.
We do not need 65 million and growing people in Britain and those migrants who supposedly support our ageing population will also grow old within a few years. The current policy is unsustainable for that obvious reason.
The only reasonable answer is to have more children of our own so the age in the population is slowly balanced.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Feb 2020 11.22am)

More and more people are making the decision not to bring a child into the world in this country, a) because they are normal working people and don't want to rely on handouts from the government to support a child and b) they just feel it is not a good place to raise a child any more. A stat I would love to see and have been unable to find is one of babies born to the full time employed as opposed to the unemployed, just to see if my interpretation of this holds water.

Also child minding fees, especially in London, are so prohibitively high that young couples can’t afford it as well as pay their rent/mortgage. In the past extended families could help out but so many older people moving out of London has made that difficult.