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 Midlands Eagle  03 Apr 19 7.15am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
This is an aspect that rarely seems to be discussed as discussions seem to centre around other aspects of immigration. My daughter lives in Brighton and many of her close friends are of African extraction so she thinks that immigration is wonderful and we should have an open door policy. She then starts complaining loudly that she can't get my grand daughters into local secondary schools as they are all full up. None of the important services in this country can cope with the level of people living here at the moment let alone if the population increases more. Schools are full, medical services are log jammed, housing is inadequate and we can go on and on and on. How about severe restrictions on immigration until our infrastructure can cope
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 Hrolf The Ganger 03 Apr 19 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
This is an aspect that rarely seems to be discussed as discussions seem to centre around other aspects of immigration. My daughter lives in Brighton and many of her close friends are of African extraction so she thinks that immigration is wonderful and we should have an open door policy. She then starts complaining loudly that she can't get my grand daughters into local secondary schools as they are all full up. None of the important services in this country can cope with the level of people living here at the moment let alone if the population increases more. Schools are full, medical services are log jammed, housing is inadequate and we can go on and on and on. How about severe restrictions on immigration until our infrastructure can cope This country will never cope with the demand. It is tiny and the demand will be endless. The only answer is reducing the population, but that will come too late to save Europe from meltdown if we continue to allow migrants to enter at the current rate rate.
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| blackheatheagle Beckenham 03 Apr 19 9.25am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
This is an aspect that rarely seems to be discussed as discussions seem to centre around other aspects of immigration. My daughter lives in Brighton and many of her close friends are of African extraction so she thinks that immigration is wonderful and we should have an open door policy. She then starts complaining loudly that she can't get my grand daughters into local secondary schools as they are all full up. None of the important services in this country can cope with the level of people living here at the moment let alone if the population increases more. Schools are full, medical services are log jammed, housing is inadequate and we can go on and on and on. How about severe restrictions on immigration until our infrastructure can cope I guess this is the key point which governments should have been doing with 5-10 year projection for the country. However, i would stress the direct correlations of immigration numbers & service availability (police, school, NHS, transportation). Maybe it would be easier to express with few samples. Group A A family immigrated from Carribeans in 70s and have 3 kids born in UK around 80s. Group B A family immigrated from India in 90s and have 2 kids born in UK in 2000s. Group C A family immigrated from Poland in 2009, no kid. (or can have on who was born in Poland) Group D A family immigrated from Italy in 2017 with their 3 kids. Group E A family immigrated from China in 2019 with no kid. There is a chance that all groups can be named as immigrants from social or cultural perspective because there is a chance that they may mismatch with British culture and their main objective may be economical gain to stay here. However, excluding Group D & E, none of them should be a problem for services as they settled here a while ago (assuming all legal for sure) and is already part of British inventory to decide on how much investment is needed for services. In this case, an African may not be a reason for school block in Brighton (maybe as well based on in which group they are in). That does not mean there is no school source issue in Brighton but this is a blanket problem for that region which should not consider an immigrant who moved to UK 20-30 years ago. Average year to become a British citizen for a foreigner is 6 years. That`s fair to give 10 year for an immigrant to be assumed officially part of Britain from services perspective. (From cultural perspective this can be 1 year to never-happens based on profile As a conclusion, net immigration numbers increased to average 250K per year. This makes around 1250K newcomer which is adding roughly 2% extra pressure on services overall in UK in 5 years time. (I am aware this impact has been much more for some certain areas.) Main question is what was the projection from government to get over this 2% extra pressure? Not sure if there is any answers if they are already struggling for the rest 98%.
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) Pussay Patrol  04 Apr 19 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
This is an aspect that rarely seems to be discussed as discussions seem to centre around other aspects of immigration. My daughter lives in Brighton and many of her close friends are of African extraction so she thinks that immigration is wonderful and we should have an open door policy. She then starts complaining loudly that she can't get my grand daughters into local secondary schools as they are all full up. None of the important services in this country can cope with the level of people living here at the moment let alone if the population increases more. Schools are full, medical services are log jammed, housing is inadequate and we can go on and on and on. How about severe restrictions on immigration until our infrastructure can cope How about build enough schools, hospitals, houses for the needs of the people here? No magic money tree? But a bottomless pit of taxpayers cash to bail out the banks
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Teddy Eagle  04 Apr 19 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How about build enough schools, hospitals, houses for the needs of the people here? No magic money tree? But a bottomless pit of taxpayers cash to bail out the banks Banks that hold peoples savings and mortgages.
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Apr 19 10.13pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How about build enough schools, hospitals, houses for the needs of the people here? No magic money tree? But a bottomless pit of taxpayers cash to bail out the banks Which is now paid back with profit.
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Apr 19 1.06am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Which is now paid back with profit. Paid back? Not that I am aware. RBS cost between £1bn and £2bn Lloyd’s made £900k.
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| Pussay Patrol 05 Apr 19 6.08am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Paid back? Not that I am aware. RBS cost between £1bn and £2bn Lloyd’s made £900k. Last week they sold their Northern Rock bad loans for 4.9BN I wonder if after 11 years of austerity, people like us who paid the price, they will tell us we got our money back so now they can invest OUR money in schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc? What do you think?
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Apr 19 6.19am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Why would we waste taxpayers money building schools and hospitals etc in Holland?
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| Pussay Patrol 05 Apr 19 7.36am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Why would we waste taxpayers money building schools and hospitals etc in Holland? Is that debating sensibly?
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Apr 19 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Last week they sold their Northern Rock bad loans for 4.9BN I wonder if after 11 years of austerity, people like us who paid the price, they will tell us we got our money back so now they can invest OUR money in schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc? What do you think? I don't think that adds up to break even overall, let alone payment for the time value of money.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 19 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't think that adds up to break even overall, let alone payment for the time value of money. Of course the Labour government could have just let the banks go bust but whilst the left might have enjoyed that it would have wrecked the economy and hurt millions of ordinary people. The debts of RBS alone outweighed the Scottish economy "Independence anyone?" The real fault in all this was the poor regulation allowing the mess in the first place. In time hopefully the taxpayer will get back the majority of their money and if that saved the economy then fair enough. Still a few bankers should have gone to jail and I say that as a retired banker.
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