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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 18 Mar 19 11.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I heard on the grapevine Ollie, that Sting is interested in buying Palace !! Where did you hear this? Was it from a message in a bottle?.. I'll get me coat..
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Mar 19 1.03am | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Where did you hear this? Was it from a message in a bottle?.. I'll get me coat.. Would be a site for sore eyes Tom. Ollie, Sting & Shaggy sat at a table in the Cherry Trees pre match....
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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 19 Mar 19 4.33pm | |
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If I had to bet, and it's purely speculative, I would reckon they under estimated (but were well aware of) the relegation stress. A season hasn't passed where there wasn't a risk their £120m-a-year of revenue (with skinny profits at best) would morph into a much smaller business with much bigger losses. Where's the investment appeal? Also, while they may have made a ring-fenced commitment to the stadium upgrade, they may also have seen (and not like the look of) what it's actually going to cost. Lastly, these guys are simply macro. Where does sport sit in their portfolios, what view do they have on Brexit? How profitable are their other investments, especially sports ones? Personally, I hope they stay but apply their talents and energies to figuring out how to make a small-to-medium PL club punch above its weight, like Watford, Burnley and a few others, and recognising that our moneyball-lite approach - which i think they led - was an incorrect one. They are rich and smart. We could use that. But not as sleeping investors.
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est1905 19 Mar 19 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You aren't a billionaire so you don't know what a billionaire will do. You also have no idea what Wolves will do. Can you spell pessimist? How about condescending?
I'm guessing you are not either? If so why are we even having this conversation? Unless of course you feel your opinions are far more important than mine? Yep, I'm guessing thats it.
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est1905 19 Mar 19 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
If I had to bet, and it's purely speculative, I would reckon they under estimated (but were well aware of) the relegation stress. A season hasn't passed where there wasn't a risk their £120m-a-year of revenue (with skinny profits at best) would morph into a much smaller business with much bigger losses. Where's the investment appeal? Also, while they may have made a ring-fenced commitment to the stadium upgrade, they may also have seen (and not like the look of) what it's actually going to cost. Lastly, these guys are simply macro. Where does sport sit in their portfolios, what view do they have on Brexit? How profitable are their other investments, especially sports ones? Personally, I hope they stay but apply their talents and energies to figuring out how to make a small-to-medium PL club punch above its weight, like Watford, Burnley and a few others, and recognising that our moneyball-lite approach - which i think they led - was an incorrect one. They are rich and smart. We could use that. But not as sleeping investors.
Dont disagree with most of this. I'd go a step further and suggest that Parish is too hands on and has made too many mistakes costing the club too much in the process. Maybe the Americans see this and are unhappy at their own lack of control in changing things they want to prevent.
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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Mar 19 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by est1905
I'm guessing you are not either? If so why are we even having this conversation? Unless of course you feel your opinions are far more important than mine? Yep, I'm guessing thats it. Neither of our opinions is important. Unless you are Steve Parish. I just prefer to be hopeful rather than resigned to mediocrity.
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Den1923 19 Mar 19 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by est1905
Dont disagree with most of this. I'd go a step further and suggest that Parish is too hands on and has made too many mistakes costing the club too much in the process. Maybe the Americans see this and are unhappy at their own lack of control in changing things they want to prevent. fully agree and more to the point SP is now well above his level of competence!
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johnmcormick8 Brundish 20 Mar 19 1.03pm | |
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Since Arthur Wait we have had 5 owners Bloye,Noades,Goldberg,Jordan and Parish. I Arthur is No 1 So all those bemoaning what Steve Parish has done for our club brought back the ground got us to the prem, invested in the training ground,and youth set up. I could go on but you get the point.
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Master Coin 20 Mar 19 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Neither of our opinions is important. Unless you are Steve Parish. I just prefer to be hopeful rather than resigned to mediocrity. I would say your view borders on pipe dreams than closer to reality though. Some facts:- We are less appealing than most of the North London clubs (exceptions being the lowly ones like Leyton Orient / Barnet) as they all have a) better quality local areas than South London, b) better infrastructure (superior stadia), c) more loyal catchment areas (The reality is that most people in North London at least actually support Arsenal/Spurs whereas in South London we compete with all the other London clubs and the glory hunting faux Mancunians) and d) better pedigree (which gives them a wider pre-existing fanbase) We are less appealing than clubs like Wolves (and even Championship clubs like Leeds, Villa etc). You may not like to hear this but billionaires will more likely rather buy somebody like that than CPFC - It will be cheaper due to their Championship status In total there are probably 20-30 clubs more appealing than ours and until those are already bought we're well down the list other than for billionaires who are already supporters or have an affiliation for the club.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 20 Mar 19 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
If I had to bet, and it's purely speculative, I would reckon they under estimated (but were well aware of) the relegation stress. A season hasn't passed where there wasn't a risk their £120m-a-year of revenue (with skinny profits at best) would morph into a much smaller business with much bigger losses. Where's the investment appeal? Also, while they may have made a ring-fenced commitment to the stadium upgrade, they may also have seen (and not like the look of) what it's actually going to cost. Lastly, these guys are simply macro. Where does sport sit in their portfolios, what view do they have on Brexit? How profitable are their other investments, especially sports ones? Personally, I hope they stay but apply their talents and energies to figuring out how to make a small-to-medium PL club punch above its weight, like Watford, Burnley and a few others, and recognising that our moneyball-lite approach - which i think they led - was an incorrect one. They are rich and smart. We could use that. But not as sleeping investors.
A lot of the above is your perception, and as you say, speculative. Harris and Blitzer are investors. Any sporting expertise they have is in their home market. Indeed they have formed a new company together in which they are looking to exploit new opportunities by '' streamlining '' operations throughout their portfolio. That portfolio, significantly, excludes their investment in CPFC. The company is run by an executive team already in place and already responsible for the various franchises. In other words, Harris and Blitzer employ SME talent. That is - you could argue - not dis similar from employing / utilising Steve Parish in his current role. As with any level of investor, they want the best possible return. It was reported that they were possibly motivated to sell their shares following the recent decision not to award an equal share of Premier League international tv rights money across the clubs, with the funds instead being allocated by final position in the table. I'm disappointed that they have decided to sell after only a short period, but I think they want to focus on their home market and have clearly been putting a lot of strategic thought into how best to do that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 19 2.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Master Coin
I would say your view borders on pipe dreams than closer to reality though. Some facts:- We are less appealing than most of the North London clubs (exceptions being the lowly ones like Leyton Orient / Barnet) as they all have a) better quality local areas than South London, b) better infrastructure (superior stadia), c) more loyal catchment areas (The reality is that most people in North London at least actually support Arsenal/Spurs whereas in South London we compete with all the other London clubs and the glory hunting faux Mancunians) and d) better pedigree (which gives them a wider pre-existing fanbase) We are less appealing than clubs like Wolves (and even Championship clubs like Leeds, Villa etc). You may not like to hear this but billionaires will more likely rather buy somebody like that than CPFC - It will be cheaper due to their Championship status In total there are probably 20-30 clubs more appealing than ours and until those are already bought we're well down the list other than for billionaires who are already supporters or have an affiliation for the club. Loving your positivity.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 20 Mar 19 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by johnmcormick8
Since Arthur Wait we have had 5 owners Bloye,Noades,Goldberg,Jordan and Parish. I Arthur is No 1 So all those bemoaning what Steve Parish has done for our club brought back the ground got us to the prem, invested in the training ground,and youth set up. I could go on but you get the point. Arthur Wait was before my time. SP is by far the best chairman we have had since I started watching in the 70s but the rest were very poor. In my opinion, Ray Bloye was way, way worse than Ron Noades.
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