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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Dec 18 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS.

Not in Employment, Education or Training.

and

No Income No Job or Assets.


NEET's and NINJAs's are whats wrong with society today.

Indeed. To many BS studies with no actual use in the real world. The blame firmly at the door of to many (& probably well meaning)universities who teach them to the detriment of real trades like engineering & Construction etc.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Dec 18 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

But you define stupidity as "anything I don't agree with".

I've just been benefiting from immigration over the road in the Vietnamese restaurant.

For example.

No. I define stupidity as using homelessness as a political football and believing that it can be solved with the wave of a socialist wand.
I believe that stupidity is arguing that the country is better off for years of immigration and in the next breath saying that Britain is now knee deep in poverty.
I believe stupidity is not seeing that poverty in 2018 is not the same as poverty in 1918 or 1818 and that rather than moan about it, they should go and help someone in a practical way just like the poster in question suggested to others.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 21 Dec 18 2.44pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS.

Not in Employment, Education or Training.

and

No Income No Job or Assets.


NEET's and NINJAs's are whats wrong with society today.

20 years ago we would sell them a house it was called sub prime.

30 years ago people used to queue for unemployment benefit nowadays the queue for food.

 


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ddjdd Flag Chichester 21 Dec 18 2.57pm Send a Private Message to ddjdd Add ddjdd as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. I define stupidity as using homelessness as a political football and believing that it can be solved with the wave of a socialist wand.
I believe that stupidity is arguing that the country is better off for years of immigration and in the next breath saying that Britain is now knee deep in poverty.
I believe stupidity is not seeing that poverty in 2018 is not the same as poverty in 1918 or 1818 and that rather than moan about it, they should go and help someone in a practical way just like the poster in question suggested to others.

Why is it that as soon as the left brings up these problems, the cry of 'political football' goes up?
Theres a proven causal link between the policies of successive conservative governments and the issues of poverty and homelessness the Uk is experiencing.

stupidity is subjective, and i think applying it to anyone doesn't help in political discussions - remember everyone wants whats best for everyone, they just have wildly different opinions on what to do.

Back to your post, the fact britain is knee deep in poverty is the reason people are angry about immigration, and the reason that demonising immigrants resonates with people.
This does not work the other way round.
Immigration does not cause poverty, nor does it contribute to it.
These are proven facts.

I wholoeheartedly agree that along with calling for government action, we should all try to help directly in our local area.

 

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ddjdd Flag Chichester 21 Dec 18 3.06pm Send a Private Message to ddjdd Add ddjdd as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Apart from a partial agreement with the last sentence I didn't agree with any of the rest of it.

Since when is the UN a credible voice on political ideology?

I haven't heard why the tax payer is responsible for general misfortune.....Most tax payers aren't particularly well off and many of them struggle themselves. The use of the tax payer must be directed effectively not thrown about like a hopeful panacea.

Taxing the most wealthy significant levels does not bring in more revenue, that's been a busted argument for some time.

All it does is lose investment.....Didn't the socialists in France prove this yet again?

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2018 1.29pm)


The study was carried out on behalf of the UN. This isn't the same as the UN espousing its own ideology, which is at times suspect, i agree. This is an empirical assessment of the validity of claiming austerity was an economic necessity, which it was not.

As I said specifically, those who are exceedingly comfortable and corporations should pay more tax, NOT those that struggle themselves. Progressive taxation is the only effective taxation in my opinion.

Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised.

If you're referring to the Gilets Jaunes protests in France recently, those were actually more of a right wing protest against fuel tax rises to begin with, but grew to encompass the entire political spectrum, protesting against rising living costs generally.
The issue here was that Macron tried to impose a regressive tax (flat rate so takes a higher proportion from lower income people) to tackle environmental problems, which are in fact predominantly the product of large corporations (100 companies produce 70% of global emissions).
This is the case of people less able to pay being asked to pay more to deal with the problems caused by those who would be able to pay.
Where this differs from what I suggested is that I'd like to see those who have the ability to pay, to pay the most.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 21 Dec 18 3.17pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

Why is it that as soon as the left brings up these problems, the cry of 'political football' goes up?
Theres a proven causal link between the policies of successive conservative governments and the issues of poverty and homelessness the Uk is experiencing.

stupidity is subjective, and i think applying it to anyone doesn't help in political discussions - remember everyone wants whats best for everyone, they just have wildly different opinions on what to do.

Back to your post, the fact britain is knee deep in poverty is the reason people are angry about immigration, and the reason that demonising immigrants resonates with people.
This does not work the other way round.
Immigration does not cause poverty, nor does it contribute to it.
These are proven facts.

I wholoeheartedly agree that along with calling for government action, we should all try to help directly in our local area.

Precisely, this seems to be a healthy debate but then with 1 person calling others stupid, I'm sure the irony is lost there.

Anyway, immaturity aside, most intelligent people are not gullible and narrow minded enough to blame immigration. corporate tax avoidance is one of many other real issues that make the country poorer on top of austerity and cuts to public services and cost of living, inflation etc

When we talk about poverty though, I don't think the country is poor, just that the people at the bottom have been screwed over, they paid the price for bailing out the banks. Ordinary People can't afford to live so that the banks get richer. Not one prosecution from the banking scandal from 10 years ago, just 7 figure pay offs

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Dec 18 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ddjdd

The study was carried out on behalf of the UN. This isn't the same as the UN espousing its own ideology, which is at times suspect, i agree. This is an empirical assessment of the validity of claiming austerity was an economic necessity, which it was not.

A distinction without a difference.

If petrol companies select and pay scientists for reports on climate change, do you take its conclusions seriously?

Originally posted by ddjdd

As I said specifically, those who are exceedingly comfortable and corporations should pay more tax, NOT those that struggle themselves. Progressive taxation is the only effective taxation in my opinion.

If you create a business environment where investment doesn't make reasonable profits in comparison to competition you get less investment.....That is factual.

Originally posted by ddjdd

Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised.

Evidence please.

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Originally posted by ddjdd

If you're referring to the Gilets Jaunes protests in France recently, those were actually more of a right wing protest against fuel tax rises to begin with, but grew to encompass the entire political spectrum, protesting against rising living costs generally.
The issue here was that Macron tried to impose a regressive tax (flat rate so takes a higher proportion from lower income people) to tackle environmental problems, which are in fact predominantly the product of large corporations (100 companies produce 70% of global emissions).
This is the case of people less able to pay being asked to pay more to deal with the problems caused by those who would be able to pay.
Where this differs from what I suggested is that I'd like to see those who have the ability to pay, to pay the most.

I said socialist government, which was obviously led by François Hollande.

The socialist government's failure in France was the reason Macron got elected in the first place. I've always said that the socialists are much worse than the capitalists because the socialists lie about what is possible and the poorer end up poorer and more desparate.....A government's remit to to create jobs by working with business not against it....It can only use good long term decisions to attract the better and higher paying jobs into its economy....This is on a long term basis and can't be done in five/ten years.

The socialists wrecked the economy and one of their flagship policies was high taxes for high earners and corporations......Investment died in the country along with tax take and Macron claimed to be the economic solution.

However, Macron is an opportunist and France's problems are long term.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2018 3.25pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Dec 18 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

With welfare, the difference between medicine and poison is often found in the dose.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Dec 18 3.51pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

With welfare, the difference between medicine and poison is often found in the dose.

to reward the an underclass with generous welfare to reproduce, thus inflating house prices....thus making life even more difficult for young workers....who then reproduce in ever smaller numbers.....the whole scheme is an eugenics of the middle classes. Totally criminal.

want to live in Battersea ? forget getting a career in the city, just push out a sprog when you are aged 17.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 21 Dec 18 4.08pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

to reward the an underclass with generous welfare to reproduce, thus inflating house prices....thus making life even more difficult for young workers....who then reproduce in ever smaller numbers.....the whole scheme is an eugenics of the middle classes. Totally criminal.

want to live in Battersea ? forget getting a career in the city, just push out a sprog when you are aged 17.

The issue is regional - plenty of property in South Wales for under £70k and plenty of work in Cardiff.

 

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steve1984 21 Dec 18 4.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The fact is that the only people benefiting from immigration are those who are already well off.

Including the old people in care homes where all the staff are immigrants? Including the patients in NHS hospitals who are in the care of immigrants? Including all the people who ride to work on a bus driven by an immigrant? Including all the people who eat vegetables picked by immigrants? etc etc

 

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steve1984 21 Dec 18 4.28pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS.

In your head maybe.

 

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