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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Dec 18 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS. Not in Employment, Education or Training. and No Income No Job or Assets.
Indeed. To many BS studies with no actual use in the real world. The blame firmly at the door of to many (& probably well meaning)universities who teach them to the detriment of real trades like engineering & Construction etc.
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 18 2.28pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
But you define stupidity as "anything I don't agree with". I've just been benefiting from immigration over the road in the Vietnamese restaurant. For example. No. I define stupidity as using homelessness as a political football and believing that it can be solved with the wave of a socialist wand.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 21 Dec 18 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS. Not in Employment, Education or Training. and No Income No Job or Assets.
20 years ago we would sell them a house it was called sub prime. 30 years ago people used to queue for unemployment benefit nowadays the queue for food.
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ddjdd Chichester 21 Dec 18 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. I define stupidity as using homelessness as a political football and believing that it can be solved with the wave of a socialist wand. Why is it that as soon as the left brings up these problems, the cry of 'political football' goes up? stupidity is subjective, and i think applying it to anyone doesn't help in political discussions - remember everyone wants whats best for everyone, they just have wildly different opinions on what to do. Back to your post, the fact britain is knee deep in poverty is the reason people are angry about immigration, and the reason that demonising immigrants resonates with people. I wholoeheartedly agree that along with calling for government action, we should all try to help directly in our local area.
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ddjdd Chichester 21 Dec 18 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apart from a partial agreement with the last sentence I didn't agree with any of the rest of it. Since when is the UN a credible voice on political ideology? I haven't heard why the tax payer is responsible for general misfortune.....Most tax payers aren't particularly well off and many of them struggle themselves. The use of the tax payer must be directed effectively not thrown about like a hopeful panacea. Taxing the most wealthy significant levels does not bring in more revenue, that's been a busted argument for some time. All it does is lose investment.....Didn't the socialists in France prove this yet again? Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2018 1.29pm)
As I said specifically, those who are exceedingly comfortable and corporations should pay more tax, NOT those that struggle themselves. Progressive taxation is the only effective taxation in my opinion. Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised. If you're referring to the Gilets Jaunes protests in France recently, those were actually more of a right wing protest against fuel tax rises to begin with, but grew to encompass the entire political spectrum, protesting against rising living costs generally.
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Pussay Patrol 21 Dec 18 3.17pm | |
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Originally posted by ddjdd
Why is it that as soon as the left brings up these problems, the cry of 'political football' goes up? stupidity is subjective, and i think applying it to anyone doesn't help in political discussions - remember everyone wants whats best for everyone, they just have wildly different opinions on what to do. Back to your post, the fact britain is knee deep in poverty is the reason people are angry about immigration, and the reason that demonising immigrants resonates with people. I wholoeheartedly agree that along with calling for government action, we should all try to help directly in our local area. Precisely, this seems to be a healthy debate but then with 1 person calling others stupid, I'm sure the irony is lost there. Anyway, immaturity aside, most intelligent people are not gullible and narrow minded enough to blame immigration. corporate tax avoidance is one of many other real issues that make the country poorer on top of austerity and cuts to public services and cost of living, inflation etc When we talk about poverty though, I don't think the country is poor, just that the people at the bottom have been screwed over, they paid the price for bailing out the banks. Ordinary People can't afford to live so that the banks get richer. Not one prosecution from the banking scandal from 10 years ago, just 7 figure pay offs
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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 18 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by ddjdd
The study was carried out on behalf of the UN. This isn't the same as the UN espousing its own ideology, which is at times suspect, i agree. This is an empirical assessment of the validity of claiming austerity was an economic necessity, which it was not. A distinction without a difference. If petrol companies select and pay scientists for reports on climate change, do you take its conclusions seriously? Originally posted by ddjdd
As I said specifically, those who are exceedingly comfortable and corporations should pay more tax, NOT those that struggle themselves. Progressive taxation is the only effective taxation in my opinion. If you create a business environment where investment doesn't make reasonable profits in comparison to competition you get less investment.....That is factual. Originally posted by ddjdd
Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised. Evidence please. Originally posted by ddjdd
If you're referring to the Gilets Jaunes protests in France recently, those were actually more of a right wing protest against fuel tax rises to begin with, but grew to encompass the entire political spectrum, protesting against rising living costs generally. I said socialist government, which was obviously led by François Hollande. The socialist government's failure in France was the reason Macron got elected in the first place. I've always said that the socialists are much worse than the capitalists because the socialists lie about what is possible and the poorer end up poorer and more desparate.....A government's remit to to create jobs by working with business not against it....It can only use good long term decisions to attract the better and higher paying jobs into its economy....This is on a long term basis and can't be done in five/ten years. The socialists wrecked the economy and one of their flagship policies was high taxes for high earners and corporations......Investment died in the country along with tax take and Macron claimed to be the economic solution. However, Macron is an opportunist and France's problems are long term. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2018 3.25pm)
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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 18 3.26pm | |
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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Dec 18 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
With welfare, the difference between medicine and poison is often found in the dose. to reward the an underclass with generous welfare to reproduce, thus inflating house prices....thus making life even more difficult for young workers....who then reproduce in ever smaller numbers.....the whole scheme is an eugenics of the middle classes. Totally criminal. want to live in Battersea ? forget getting a career in the city, just push out a sprog when you are aged 17.
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chris123 hove actually 21 Dec 18 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
to reward the an underclass with generous welfare to reproduce, thus inflating house prices....thus making life even more difficult for young workers....who then reproduce in ever smaller numbers.....the whole scheme is an eugenics of the middle classes. Totally criminal. want to live in Battersea ? forget getting a career in the city, just push out a sprog when you are aged 17. The issue is regional - plenty of property in South Wales for under £70k and plenty of work in Cardiff.
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steve1984 21 Dec 18 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The fact is that the only people benefiting from immigration are those who are already well off. Including the old people in care homes where all the staff are immigrants? Including the patients in NHS hospitals who are in the care of immigrants? Including all the people who ride to work on a bus driven by an immigrant? Including all the people who eat vegetables picked by immigrants? etc etc
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steve1984 21 Dec 18 4.28pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Western Europe is being destroyed by NEETS AND NINJAS. In your head maybe.
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