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becky over the moon 23 Jul 18 2.57pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today Indeed, look at India - those damn spare wives still won't go back to immolating themselves on their husbands' funeral pyres, and the rest of them are still getting about on OUR railway, to get to the plantations that we built for them, that grow the tea we knicked from China for them...... We really were a s*** conquering nation....... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 23 Jul 18 2.57pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today

Indeed, look at India - those damn spare wives still won't go back to immolating themselves on their husbands' funeral pyres, and the rest of them are still getting about on OUR railway, to get to the plantations that we built for them, that grow the tea we knicked from China for them......

We really were a s*** conquering nation.......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Jul 18 3.06pm
Originally posted by becky Indeed, look at India - those damn spare wives still won't go back to immolating themselves on their husbands' funeral pyres, and the rest of them are still getting about on OUR railway, to get to the plantations that we built for them, that grow the tea we knicked from China for them...... We really were a s* conquering nation....... And how much thanks did we get from the bloody Germans for inventing concentration camps? Bloody none, that's how much. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**
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Clapham on the Back 23 Jul 18 3.06pm

Originally posted by becky

We really were a s*** conquering nation.......

And how much thanks did we get from the bloody Germans for inventing concentration camps? Bloody none, that's how much.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 18 3.10pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today No you have brought into that crap. I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons. I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature. Turkey doesn't care how you think about it. Besides it isn't the only example of countries that don't suffer this Marxist view of history......which is almost amusing considering the hell that Marxism enabled in the world. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2018 3.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 18 3.10pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today

No you have brought into that crap.

I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons.

I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature.

Turkey doesn't care how you think about it. Besides it isn't the only example of countries that don't suffer this Marxist view of history......which is almost amusing considering the hell that Marxism enabled in the world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2018 3.13pm)

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Park Road 23 Jul 18 3.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No you have brought into that crap. I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons. I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature. Turkey doesn't care how you think about it. Besides it isn't the only example of countries that don't suffer this Marxist view of history......which is almost amusing considering the hell that Marxism enabled in the world. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2018 3.13pm) "objectivism" is a trait of a good history teacher, in a world where most history books are subjective. "Context within its time" spot on
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23 Jul 18 3.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No you have brought into that crap.

I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons.

I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2018 3.13pm)

"objectivism" is a trait of a good history teacher, in a world where most history books are subjective.
"Context within its time" spot on

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Jul 18 6.13pm
Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since.
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Beckenham 23 Jul 18 6.13pm

Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 6.36pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since. It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.
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SE19 23 Jul 18 6.36pm

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since.

It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest?

No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 18 6.58pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising. If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were. The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 18 6.58pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest?

No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.

If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were.

The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Jul 18 7.35pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising. No probs, here's YouGov. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Jul 2018 7.38pm)
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Beckenham 23 Jul 18 7.35pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest?

No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.

No probs, here's YouGov. [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Jul 2018 7.38pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jul 18 7.53pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising. Do you actually understand that Britain was one of many countries who had ambitions to exploit the undeveloped world? Do you not grasp the fact that it could just as easily been us being exploited in the same way that the Romans did years earlier? It is not a British thing. It is a consequence of having superior technology.
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23 Jul 18 7.53pm

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest?

No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.

Do you actually understand that Britain was one of many countries who had ambitions to exploit the undeveloped world? Do you not grasp the fact that it could just as easily been us being exploited in the same way that the Romans did years earlier?
It is not a British thing. It is a consequence of having superior technology.

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Pussay Patrol 23 Jul 18 8.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were. The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest. Well it stands to reason really, we'll only pillage if it's worth pillaging Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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23 Jul 18 8.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were.

The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest.

Well it stands to reason really, we'll only pillage if it's worth pillaging

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 8.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do you actually understand that Britain was one of many countries who had ambitions to exploit the undeveloped world? Do you not grasp the fact that it could just as easily been us being exploited in the same way that the Romans did years earlier? It is not a British thing. It is a consequence of having superior technology. Do you actually read the post of the person you're replying to?
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SE19 23 Jul 18 8.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you actually read the post of the person you're replying to?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 8.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were. The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest. I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Undoubtedly the exposure to better technology, better understanding of economics etc meant they fast-tracked in a lot of ways, but it's difficult to weigh that up against the violence, oppression and loss of culture - that's what I meant by "it depends what you mean by better off". Overall, I very much agree with you that it has to be seen within the context of it's time.
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SE19 23 Jul 18 8.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you look at the economic performance of countries in Africa, they generally line up with how colonized they were.

The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest.

I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Undoubtedly the exposure to better technology, better understanding of economics etc meant they fast-tracked in a lot of ways, but it's difficult to weigh that up against the violence, oppression and loss of culture - that's what I meant by "it depends what you mean by better off".

Overall, I very much agree with you that it has to be seen within the context of it's time.

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