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 Stirlingsays  04 Nov 17 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And perhaps you are wilfully trolling after being backed into a corner... I'm not trolling you. It's the issue not the man. While I do admit to enjoying a far amount of trolling, it all went too far. I've tackled this particular point because I found it an interesting contention but I'm not going to 'troll' you. 'Sh1t posting' has its place but...having thought about it...perhaps it's only on a forum where the other person can block you if they don't want to play along. I would prefer a more amiable trading of ideas and opinions. I have that with several other posters. Obviously we are going to always disagree sharply over this particular issue and I am very critical about how we got here and where we are going. Still, lets not bore people with long running personal feuds.
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Kermit8  Hevon 05 Nov 17 9.01am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not trolling you. It's the issue not the man. While I do admit to enjoying a far amount of trolling, it all went too far. I've tackled this particular point because I found it an interesting contention but I'm not going to 'troll' you. 'Sh1t posting' has its place but...having thought about it...perhaps it's only on a forum where the other person can block you if they don't want to play along. I would prefer a more amiable trading of ideas and opinions. I have that with several other posters. Obviously we are going to always disagree sharply over this particular issue and I am very critical about how we got here and where we are going. Still, lets not bore people with long running personal feuds.
Your automatic default position was to disbelieve the figure of '40' because someone not of your political persuasion had posted it. I later showed you how I researched to get the figure and still disbelief rather than checking it over yourself with a fine tooth comb. I say again 80% of the world's countries have thankfully not had IS and their like attacks even though nearly all of them have immigration and a Muslim presence.......this in relation to a previous post about Japan since 1996 having no terror attacks either....and going by the link I gave. Now if the link info is wrong prove it. Just desist from the hot air and waffle and deflective tactics. And if you can't prove it then take a deep breath and accept it is true. It won't hurt.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Nov 17 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Your automatic default position was to disbelieve the figure of '40' because someone not of your political persuasion had posted it. I later showed you how I researched to get the figure and still disbelief rather than checking it over yourself with a fine tooth comb. I say again 80% of the world's countries have thankfully not had IS and their like attacks even though nearly all of them have immigration and a Muslim presence.......this in relation to a previous post about Japan since 1996 having no terror attacks either....and going by the link I gave. Now if the link info is wrong prove it. Just desist from the hot air and waffle and deflective tactics. And if you can't prove it then take a deep breath and accept it is true. It won't hurt. You have just got to be a bit more patient. I'm sure the terrorists will get around to attacking other countries too.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 17 1.54pm |
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| Stirlingsays 05 Nov 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
You have just got to be a bit more patient. I'm sure the terrorists will get around to attacking other countries too. Go over the posts concerned. His calculations are based upon 'significant press coverage' not actual statistics on attacks. It was pointed out but there you go. According to this website in 2016 alone there were 1274 Islamic attacks in 50 countries. 2015, 2884 Islamic attacks in 53 countries. 2014 , 3000 Islamic attacks in 55 countries. I can't be bothered to go through all the figures and out up the number of different countries that Islamic attacks have occurred in over a large number of years....but the mistakes in his claim are there. Islamic terrorism isn't just Sunni related either. Iran export attacks around its region, for example. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 3.06pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 05 Nov 17 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Go over the posts concerned. His calculations are based upon 'significant press coverage' not actual statistics on attacks. It was pointed out but there you go. According to this website in 2016 alone there were 1274 Islamic attacks in 50 countries. 2015, 2884 Islamic attacks in 53 countries. 2014 , 3000 Islamic attacks in 55 countries. I can't be bothered to go through all the figures and out up the number of different countries that Islamic attacks have occurred in over a large number of years....but the mistakes in his claim are there. Islamic terrorism isn't just Sunni related either. Iran export attacks around its region, for example. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 3.06pm) "A model is strangled to death by her brother after offending religious conservatives." From your link...as heinous as that crime is it is not an IS/AlQaeda/Al Shabab terror attack. My link, and point, was specifically about actual extremist terrorism and the locations of. Another one... "Three civilians are flattened by a Sunni mortar barrage" in Aleppo. Again, that's casualties of a nasty civil war not an out and out extremist Jihadi act. If we follow your link and logic within that it is all terrorism then the US with their drones must be, for you, committing terrorist acts too? My original researched observations still stand. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2017 4.13pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Nov 17 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
And on a more serious note. No, we didn't have a problem with Islamist terrorism, we had a problem with Catholic/Protestant terrorism. My original post asked the question is it coincidence that because of their immigration policy that they have had no Islamic terrorism. I think so. Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond. If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy.
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| teedee Croydon 05 Nov 17 4.15pm |
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Seen some of these children they look 25 with beards
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Nov 17 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Go over the posts concerned. His calculations are based upon 'significant press coverage' not actual statistics on attacks. It was pointed out but there you go. According to this website in 2016 alone there were 1274 Islamic attacks in 50 countries. 2015, 2884 Islamic attacks in 53 countries. 2014 , 3000 Islamic attacks in 55 countries. I can't be bothered to go through all the figures and out up the number of different countries that Islamic attacks have occurred in over a large number of years....but the mistakes in his claim are there. Islamic terrorism isn't just Sunni related either. Iran export attacks around its region, for example. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 3.06pm) Some of these countries are probably a stretch to say its just an Islam thing - given they're enaged in civil wars or wars against specific Muslim groups (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Egypt) Notably a few of these are also countries, like pakistan where they're actively part of the war on terror - and it would seem fairly reasonable to consider that a two way affair. Similarly Egypt is in the process of suppression of certain Islamic groups - its not really that much of a stretch to imagine they're fighting back. For example, Somalia is largely a Muslim country, enveloped by lawlessness and civil war - its then not surprising to see terrorist attacks, by different factions on each other.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Nov 17 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
And on a more serious note. No, we didn't have a problem with Islamist terrorism, we had a problem with Catholic/Protestant terrorism. My original post asked the question is it coincidence that because of their immigration policy that they have had no Islamic terrorism. I think so. Not really true, reducing the troubles to protestant vs catholic kind of misses the fact that conflict really was about republican self rule vs those who wanted British based rule. The catholic and protestant divide is a part of that, but it doesn't really define what happened through the history of Ireland. Similarly, a lot of Islamist groups are actually politically motivated movements, rather than just about Islam; Hezbollah and Hamas for example have very specific political ambitions, that aren't really about Islam, but relate to specific regional political issues.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Nov 17 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond. If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy. “Do we actually have a terrorist problem”! Perhaps you should ask relatives of those killed by terrorism in the last few years and those now maimed for life. Have you been to an airport lately? Have you seen the security measures now present to combat what you imply does not exist? Our security services are admitting to be stretched by the increase in attempts by terrorists, although they have foiled many plots. Is it due to UK foreign policy? You seriously think these death cults would not carry on regardless of foreign policy? Having no immigration would not be a disaster for the UK. It might be an inconvenience in some cases but not a disaster. Unchecked immigration is a disaster for the UK.
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Park Road  05 Nov 17 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond. If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy. Firstly, nothing wrong with immigration in moderation its absolutely necessary.
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