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TheExpatEagle Flag 12 Sep 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to TheExpatEagle Add TheExpatEagle as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

How do you know he 'waited 8+ days to tell Parish'? Just because it was announced in the press after that time doesn't mean Parish was also told at that time. It's highly probably that Parish knew before the Hull game and started putting feelers out for a replacement well before the official announcement was made to the media. That's how business works.

Edited by europalace (10 Sep 2017 12.20pm)

No offence but do you read or listen to interviews?

Sam said he made his decision to retire before the Hull game and both he and Parish said that Parish was not told until the day after the Manchester United game.

So, Hull to Man U (Saturday to following Sunday) is 8 days and as he made his decision before the game, in other words before the day of the game, it was more than 8 days.

I don't rely on idle reports and I listen to interviews when relevant people are on tv, radio and so on so before calling someone on something maybe you should do the same?

However, if Parish knew before the Hull game then it makes his due diligence in finding a new manager even more pathetic!

Edited by TheExpatEagle (12 Sep 2017 3.43pm)

 

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TheExpatEagle Flag 12 Sep 17 3.42pm Send a Private Message to TheExpatEagle Add TheExpatEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

My point was he's never been a DOF, now he's one in the premier league. Dof should be advising, Parish listens to all the details of potentials and makes his choice. What went on doesn't seem to have followed that kind of sense.

I wasn't picking you up on your point just asking a question that if Freedman is a genuine DoF or SD then he should be the one making this decision.

 

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TheExpatEagle Flag 12 Sep 17 3.43pm Send a Private Message to TheExpatEagle Add TheExpatEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Human error. Non of us are above it.

You forgot to pluralise the word error because he keeps making them.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 12 Sep 17 4.23pm

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

You forgot to pluralise the word error because he keeps making them.

He's learning though. Made the right decision relieving FDB of his duties so soon after learning from a previous mistake, being the Pardew situation.

 


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regal_eagle Flag somewhere 12 Sep 17 4.30pm Send a Private Message to regal_eagle Add regal_eagle as a friend

Do people want a personalised letter from them apologising or something.

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TheExpatEagle Flag 12 Sep 17 4.37pm Send a Private Message to TheExpatEagle Add TheExpatEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

He's learning though. Made the right decision relieving FDB of his duties so soon after learning from a previous mistake, being the Pardew situation.

Fair enough, it could be looked at in that way but it is sandwiched by what happened to make Sam leave (which will be part of a big debate) and appointing FdB after a very long selection process.

We'll see how things go from here but is Roy the best option?

I tend to treat Palace looking for a manager like a father looks at his daughter looking for a boyfriend.

Nobody is good enough until they are in place then I'll back them while being critical.

 

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Aray Flag South London 12 Sep 17 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Like many fans I'm gutted we're in the position we are in but as friends of mine who are close-ish to Parish have told me - FdB was an arse who had lost the dressing room and the general staff.

I think we've all wondered about the pre-season selections, this season's formation and selection too. If the stories that he was much to blame for the chaos around player purchases are true then he's been fired for good reason.

But what due diligence did the board do before giving him the job? There are organisations like Kroll who will find out background on executives before they've been hired. I can't help but think after his previous short tenure Parish should have had the rule run properly.

Anyways it's done now. Lesson learned I hope.

 

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 12 Sep 17 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

Like many fans I'm gutted we're in the position we are in but as friends of mine who are close-ish to Parish have told me - FdB was an arse who had lost the dressing room and the general staff.

I think we've all wondered about the pre-season selections, this season's formation and selection too. If the stories that he was much to blame for the chaos around player purchases are true then he's been fired for good reason.

But what due diligence did the board do before giving him the job? There are organisations like Kroll who will find out background on executives before they've been hired. I can't help but think after his previous short tenure Parish should have had the rule run properly.

Anyways it's done now. Lesson learned I hope.

Clearly, FDB didn't suit Inter either but one job mismatch shouldn't necessarily make him a pariah. I think the mistake was probably in appointing someone without Premiership experience. That became obvious to everyone.

 


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Dancer Cat Flag Farnborough 12 Sep 17 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Dancer Cat Add Dancer Cat as a friend

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

I wasn't picking you up on your point just asking a question that if Freedman is a genuine DoF or SD then he should be the one making this decision.

Exactly - That's what a lot of people seem to get wrong.

CEO appoints DoF (& sacks if unhappy), DoF then appoints all senior football based personnel (first team coach, youth coach, chief scout etc).

They all answer to, & ultimately can get sacked, by DoF NOT the CEO.

That's how the structure should work, but in this country we're used to the first team manager being the overlord of all things football - Fergie, Redknapp, Wenger, Mourinho etc. In this set up a DoF is a waste of time.

The DoF CAN NOT be on the same managerial level as the first team manager / coach - otherwise there's a conflict of interest.

The DoF has to sit on the board, whereas the first team manager does not.

However, interestingly, Doog appears to have been very unimpressed with FdB, so you never know, we might have some structure.

That said, I can't see Woy answering to a 2nd rate Champ manager.

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 12 Sep 17 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's not looking pretty, is it? The rot set in a while back and pre-Pardew imo. Parish is a one-dimensional sort of Chairman and hasn't grown into the role anymore than what he was like in 2013. Doesn't learn from mistakes and will keep repeating them and focuses way too much time on only one part of the club rather than evolving the peripheral aspects which would enable CPFC to leap forward.

We are more like QPR circa:2014 these days than CPFC circa: 2012

His luck will run out and Del Boy chancer tactics shown up to all.

You forgot the £600m Parish has supposedly squandered in the last 5 years, an old favourite of yours.

 

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rawpalace05 Flag Saltdean 12 Sep 17 9.38pm Send a Private Message to rawpalace05 Add rawpalace05 as a friend

I love Parish and have the upmost respect for him. However, this is his first major mistake IMO, whether it be the appointment or the sacking. He wanted an evolution, yet he gave the new guy only 4 games and 3 new players to bolster the ranks. Ok, so the manager made a few "interesting" personnel decisions, but don't they all? Especially at the beginning. I split the blame 75% on the shoulders of the board, it would be interesting to know how many of the decisions made were down to the yanks-nothing has gone right since they got involved with the club. Thought we played well against Burnley and well enough for frank to keep his job. Really really disappointing situation.

 


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Flash Flag Lampeter 12 Sep 17 11.25pm

Message to a football supporting friend - Andy, I don't know how closely you've been following developments at the theatre of screams, but the pre-season wasn't great. The first game at home to the Terriers was awful. The players looked totally lost in the first half and improved a little in the second when reverting to a back 4. Liverpool away was also better with a more defensive setup. After FdB's meeting with Steve Parish, it was expected that the home game with Swansea would start with a back 4 - but no. We conceded and later on changed to a 4-3-3 and did better in the second half.
Against Burnley we at last started with a back 4 and played far better. But whilst previous managers had not given Lee much if any game time, It was FdB's decision to give him a starting role on the left of midfield. Not only did he commit the suicidal back pass but he looked out of his depth throughout the first half. So he was substituted at half time. We aren't short of left-sided players now. Schlupp had been played at LB instead of van Aanholt. Here was an opportunity to push Schlupp forward and bring on van Aanholt, but, no, FdB chooses instead to give an untried youngster his debut to no effect.
Team selections/substitutions are one thing. But then there are reports of senior players being ostracised - even told they are surplus to requirements and will be sold, and then being selected to play the next Saturday. This is inconsistent if not manic management. Glad to be rid of it.
Whilst I was initially enthused by de Boer's appointment and thought the board would back him with some significant signings, it soon appeared that they would not and that made me wonder why. I can only think that Steve Parish recognised he'd made a huge mistake. Turns out though that FdB wasn't being responsive about the players he wanted to recruit. So Parish brought in Freedman to try to get a more direct interface with the manager, but to no avail. What should he have done then? He could have avoided the public ridicule he's suffering at the moment and given FdB more time to dig our grave. But I believe he's done the right thing to admit his error and take the flack. I suspect the American owners might dismiss him as CEO shortly, and I suspect Parish might be expecting this. A brave and proper decision to dismiss de Boer and appoint Hodgson in the best interests of the club in my opinion.
Many on Holmesdale On line have vilified Parish. I don't see it that way.
Oh well - just another day in the life of CPFC!

 

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