Sure he has the right to make it. Personally, I'm a fervent supporter of the marketplace of ideas and I've no problem with ideas I don't agree with being expressed.

I feel that your intent is an honourable one, however I don't support the mechanism. Racist chants against players wasn't stopped by bullying 'action'. It was vastly reduced by cultural and generational change over time. It was s vastly reduced by the increase in black and mixed race players in teams. It was vastly reduced by crowd self policing.

If someone is a genuine racist or is genuinely anti homosexual personally I'd rather debate the ideas than force them to be liars or silence them.

I take issue with the idea that not liking something....to 'discriminate' against something is wrong (with the exception of supporting violence) and should be banned.

You discriminate every day of your life. Did you date ugly girls or boys just as often as good looking ones or ones you liked? Did you prefer shapely girls/boys to fat ones? Did you date girls/boys with significantly lower or higher IQs from you?

Discrimination is everyday. So banning people from expressing discrimination is very definitely creating a 'safe space'.

Everyone should be protected from violence and the threat of violence. People should have some level of protection from lies and libel.....once we step out from this...we create dangerous ground in my view.

This said, I have the impression that you have honourable intent. I just differ on the mechanism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2017 7.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

..... and here I shall throw in a commendation for the HF leading the way with songs and chants that don't include bad language or offensive material against any players or supporters (our own or away ), but simply support our players of whatever colour, orientation or religion. Which is just as it should be........

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

F*ck this topic is so boring, it should be moved to general talk for the plebs to discuss.
Parchmore was a c*ck. bubble, good poster.
what will be worse when we play Brighton ? Gay chants, pikey/rioter chants ?or violence ? I'd expect, but not condone . All of them.

I have not commented on the thread since Thursday, as you can see from my history that I do not comment on many threats. I am more interested in viewing transfer news and general news for my club. My main hope it we progress in the league.

But since I saw the documentary I felt I wanted as many CPFC fans to see it for its overall message. I also wanted any abusive messages removed.

As Brighton are in the premier league next season, there will be increased spotlight against homophobic chants, and I do not want my club to be the centre of this and if we are having this discussion before the start of the season to change views, it is all the better.

I am pleased that most posts are against homophobic messages on all sites, and I feel that this is clear the majority CPFC fans.

But there are some posts that do concern me regarding that this is still banter and I would like to mention the impact of indirect discrimination.

As background, the first FA cup final I saw on TV at the age of 11 was CPFC vs MUFC, and this is how I became a CPFC supporter. (My father & mother did not have not club, but my granddads were Arsenal and Leicester fans, but the 3-3 final meant I was for CPFC)
I became a season ticket holder in the 00-01 season, I knew I was gay, but out to no one. The season ticket holder next to me on several occasions shared homophobic views to players, (not towards me), which did upset me, I was 20 at the time and felt I could not renew my season ticket.

I have been to CPFC matches over the years, but my last match was the meeting at the AMEX in 2013 vs Brighton. The level for homophobic language was the highest I heard.

Away from CPFC. I have been physically attacked (which included verbal discrimination) in the street twice in Brighton 2001 and in 2009 (I live in Brighton) for being gay (because of holding hands with my partner on a Saturday night), by some groups of young men, I needed medical treatment and so did they and reported to the police. To be clear I am no way saying that this is CPFC fans or even football fans.

Considering the attacks and because what I heard in my season ticket year and at the AMEX, I did not renew my season ticket and I have not seen a match live since, even though the two are not linked. This is because I can be home and watch matches and not have the possibility of hearing something that will make be uncomfortable.

Indirect homophobia “banter” between straight men on a match day, does not affect them. But to the 5%-10% of the population, that are gay, this does have an impact, and does influence the decisions they make. Such as coming out as a player or going to matches.

I expect every gay man or women have heard the “banter” used directly towards them in a very personal way.

Everyone in life should consider, not what am I saying to the person I am talking to, but who is also hearing and seeing what I am saying, and the possible unknown impact on them.

Do chants of who's the b***ard in the black and we pay your benefits have now to be stopped

What about if Adam Johnson gets released? No peado (even though he is one) chants.