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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 6.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, only you said that in the highlighted bit. I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White. Got a problem with that? The highlighted bit is me paraphrasing you, asking for clarity. You've now given me such and I think your preference is sad, out-dated and racist. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 18 Jul 17 6.28pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, only you said that in the highlighted bit.

I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White.
Got a problem with that?

The highlighted bit is me paraphrasing you, asking for clarity. You've now given me such and I think your preference is sad, out-dated and racist.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 6.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My white privilege? I haven't noticed any. That all sounds a bit like bigotry to me. Maybe people who work hard to achieve get what they deserve and those that blame everyone else for their problems get what they deserve. Just a thought. And the Egypt movies probably bombed because they were s**. Then you haven't been looking very hard. You have been banging on for pages about how the character of Bond can only be played by a white actor - because you're white too - yet don't see any white privilege. Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves* the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought. Yes, both Egypt movies were s*. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 18 Jul 17 6.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My white privilege? I haven't noticed any. That all sounds a bit like bigotry to me.
Maybe people who work hard to achieve get what they deserve and those that blame everyone else for their problems get what they deserve.
Just a thought.
And the Egypt movies probably bombed because they were s***.

Then you haven't been looking very hard. You have been banging on for pages about how the character of Bond can only be played by a white actor - because you're white too - yet don't see any white privilege.

Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought.

Yes, both Egypt movies were s***. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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wordup 18 Jul 17 6.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, only you said that in the highlighted bit. I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White. Got a problem with that? Saying 'he's white in the books' or 'he's always been white so why change it' is markedly different from saying, 'I'm white so I want him to be white'. Your argument is closer to saying "i'm not as comfortable with you being on my screen because you're not white.. sorry mate human nature". I don't have a problem with it, you believe what you believe, but it shouldn't be taboo either to highlight a racial disconnect. Like I said it's not something others have said. If I'd said "i want shaft to be black because I am" that would've received some very direct replies and head scratching I'm sure.
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18 Jul 17 6.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, only you said that in the highlighted bit.

I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White.
Got a problem with that?

Saying 'he's white in the books' or 'he's always been white so why change it' is markedly different from saying, 'I'm white so I want him to be white'. Your argument is closer to saying "i'm not as comfortable with you being on my screen because you're not white.. sorry mate human nature".

I don't have a problem with it, you believe what you believe, but it shouldn't be taboo either to highlight a racial disconnect. Like I said it's not something others have said. If I'd said "i want shaft to be black because I am" that would've received some very direct replies and head scratching I'm sure.

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johnno42000 18 Jul 17 6.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Bond is meant to be white from the books....that's obvious but it's not exactly the most important thing and it's just a fictional character. If they brought in a black actor to play Bond I'd be ok with it just as long as it was in keeping with the character of Bond. If it's the best actor about...then blah blah and all that. Jamie's 'trans Bond could be good' stuff just proves that he's taking recreationals into work with him. Bond is meant to be white and male in his late thirties, early forties.....But hey...we are living in an age where a Time Lord is now a Time Lady.....all so that beta males can get excited and think they are doing something. Not to sure how a 'lord' is meant to be female but feck it.....authenticity is for those interested in details not agendas. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 6.18pm) I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did. EDDIE4BOND. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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johnno42000

18 Jul 17 6.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Bond is meant to be white from the books....that's obvious but it's not exactly the most important thing and it's just a fictional character.

If they brought in a black actor to play Bond I'd be ok with it just as long as it was in keeping with the character of Bond. If it's the best actor about...then blah blah and all that.

Jamie's 'trans Bond could be good' stuff just proves that he's taking recreationals into work with him.

Bond is meant to be white and male in his late thirties, early forties.....But hey...we are living in an age where a Time Lord is now a Time Lady.....all so that beta males can get excited and think they are doing something.

Not to sure how a 'lord' is meant to be female but feck it.....authenticity is for those interested in details not agendas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 6.18pm)

I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did.

EDDIE4BOND.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 6.57pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did. EDDIE4BOND. Old Eddie has played a lot of interesting and different roles already. I'm thinking that he might be up for solving our striker crisis......What's Eddie transfer price as a trans? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jul 17 6.57pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did.

EDDIE4BOND.

Old Eddie has played a lot of interesting and different roles already.

I'm thinking that he might be up for solving our striker crisis......What's Eddie transfer price as a trans?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 7.06pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Then you haven't been looking very hard. You have been banging on for pages about how the character of Bond can only be played by a white actor - because you're white too - yet don't see any white privilege. Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought. Yes, both Egypt movies were s***. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters. So far on these boards I've notice you use the word 'misogyny' in describing me....it's plainly ridiculous...My mother, god bless her, is probably worth ten of you. Then here you use the term, 'white privilege'. So you are announcing your politics clear as day. You are a full on American style 'progressive'. If I were to play your game I could accuse you of 'misandry'...in your case that certain hate of anything masculine that certain 'beta males' are so steeped into. Well, in my opinion, there is a place for your personality type in society, just as there is a place for all non violent views. However, if you want to play the game of name calling recognise that at a certain stage some people are going to get tired of it and then name calling is all you are going to get. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jul 17 7.06pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought.

Yes, both Egypt movies were s***. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters.

So far on these boards I've notice you use the word 'misogyny' in describing me....it's plainly ridiculous...My mother, god bless her, is probably worth ten of you.

Then here you use the term, 'white privilege'. So you are announcing your politics clear as day. You are a full on American style 'progressive'.

If I were to play your game I could accuse you of 'misandry'...in your case that certain hate of anything masculine that certain 'beta males' are so steeped into.

Well, in my opinion, there is a place for your personality type in society, just as there is a place for all non violent views.

However, if you want to play the game of name calling recognise that at a certain stage some people are going to get tired of it and then name calling is all you are going to get.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.10pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 7.07pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Then you haven't been looking very hard. You have been banging on for pages about how the character of Bond can only be played by a white actor - because you're white too - yet don't see any white privilege. Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought. Yes, both Egypt movies were s***. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters. You clearly have a problem with the English language. I never said such a thing. I said I'd prefer Bond to be White. I don't care if you like that or not. What I prefer personally has no bearing on what the producers of Bond choose to do but the preference of the wider target audience as a whole will do. The so called prejudice against Black actors you imply doesn't seem to have been a problem for Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, Danny Glover, Samuel Jackson, Idris Elba, Jennifer Hudson, Eddie Murphy, Forrest Whitaker,Paul Winfield, Laurence Fishburn, Don Cheadle, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Jamie Foxx, Ving Rhames....... I could go on... and on. And The fact that two bad films featuring White people failed does not mean that casting White people was the cause or that casting Middle Eastern actors would have made them do any better. Where do you get your logic from? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2017 7.09pm)
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18 Jul 17 7.07pm

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Then you haven't been looking very hard. You have been banging on for pages about how the character of Bond can only be played by a white actor - because you're white too - yet don't see any white privilege.

Maybe a hard-working black actor deserves the role, but you'd never allow him to achieve that because he's black. Just a thought.

Yes, both Egypt movies were s***. Hence the fallacy that white actors will necessarily draw in punters.

You clearly have a problem with the English language. I never said such a thing. I said I'd prefer Bond to be White. I don't care if you like that or not. What I prefer personally has no bearing on what the producers of Bond choose to do but the preference of the wider target audience as a whole will do.

The so called prejudice against Black actors you imply doesn't seem to have been a problem for Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, Danny Glover, Samuel Jackson, Idris Elba, Jennifer Hudson, Eddie Murphy, Forrest Whitaker,Paul Winfield, Laurence Fishburn, Don Cheadle, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Jamie Foxx, Ving Rhames....... I could go on... and on.

And The fact that two bad films featuring White people failed does not mean that casting White people was the cause or that casting Middle Eastern actors would have made them do any better.
Where do you get your logic from?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2017 7.09pm)

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wordup 18 Jul 17 7.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy? Er no. It's just fun. Why do you give a s***? Okay swearbox, I was just curious about your "I want bond to be white because I'm white" comment. As I said from the beginning, I'm happy to watch Bond movies whoever is at the helm without having a panic attack over our hues matching on a colour chart. I doubt there will be a black Bond for a many years anyway so we'll both be able to enjoy the franchise. We can see the next one together, but I'm going to have to insist that you black up first, because 'I want you to be black because I'm black' :-D.
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wordup

18 Jul 17 7.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy?

Er no. It's just fun.

Why do you give a s***?

Okay swearbox, I was just curious about your "I want bond to be white because I'm white" comment.

As I said from the beginning, I'm happy to watch Bond movies whoever is at the helm without having a panic attack over our hues matching on a colour chart.

I doubt there will be a black Bond for a many years anyway so we'll both be able to enjoy the franchise. We can see the next one together, but I'm going to have to insist that you black up first, because 'I want you to be black because I'm black' :-D.

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wordup 18 Jul 17 7.15pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did. EDDIE4BOND. He's an underrated actor that's for sure. On top of that.. Anything to keep him off Question Time.
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wordup

18 Jul 17 7.15pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

I think our own Eddie Izzard could be up for a number of interesting and high profile roles in the near future. Palace to the core, he's be good at anything he did.

EDDIE4BOND.

He's an underrated actor that's for sure. On top of that.. Anything to keep him off Question Time.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 7.17pm
Originally posted by wordup Saying 'he's white in the books' or 'he's always been white so why change it' is markedly different from saying, 'I'm white so I want him to be white'. Your argument is closer to saying "i'm not as comfortable with you being on my screen because you're not white.. sorry mate human nature". I don't have a problem with it, you believe what you believe, but it shouldn't be taboo either to highlight a racial disconnect. Like I said it's not something others have said. If I'd said "i want shaft to be black because I am" that would've received some very direct replies and head scratching I'm sure. Not comfortable? Dude this a fictional spy we are talking about not a Black supremacist takeover. Proportionality, please. It isn't that important for me. Why are you so bothered about what I think and why are you so bothered about the colour of Bond? You seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that I like a White Bond because I'm white. Who has the problem here?
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Hrolf The Ganger

18 Jul 17 7.17pm

Originally posted by wordup

Saying 'he's white in the books' or 'he's always been white so why change it' is markedly different from saying, 'I'm white so I want him to be white'. Your argument is closer to saying "i'm not as comfortable with you being on my screen because you're not white.. sorry mate human nature".

Not comfortable?

Dude this a fictional spy we are talking about not a Black supremacist takeover.
Proportionality, please. It isn't that important for me.

Why are you so bothered about what I think and why are you so bothered about the colour of Bond?

You seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that I like a White Bond because I'm white. Who has the problem here?

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 7.20pm
Originally posted by wordup Okay swearbox, I was just curious about your "I want bond to be white because I'm white" comment. As I said from the beginning, I'm happy to watch Bond movies whoever is at the helm without having a panic attack over our hues matching on a colour chart. I doubt there will be a black Bond for a many years anyway so we'll both be able to enjoy the franchise. We can see the next one together, but I'm going to have to insist that you black up first, because 'I want you to be black because I'm black' :-D. If a black person asks for black role models do you ask them about it? I doubt it because them being a minority seems to give hem having a 'preference' a pass. You know what I'm fine with that. You might prefer long legged black girls or white girls to short legged ones....Or blue eyed Scandinavian girls to short squat Italian types. Having a preference isn't being racist. Being racist is being racist. Believing that the stereotype of a Scandinavian bird can be more attractive than an Italian one doesn't mean that I think any difference as to their worth as actual human beings. I don't believe the short Italian bird is a worst human being just because of her genetics...It's purely a physical thing....Hey I'd probably still fcuk her anyway. If you prefer your Bond to be white or your Shaft to be black it doesn't really matter. All that matters is how you treat people in real life. Fairness is what matters.....not thought policing. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jul 17 7.20pm

Originally posted by wordup

Okay swearbox, I was just curious about your "I want bond to be white because I'm white" comment.

As I said from the beginning, I'm happy to watch Bond movies whoever is at the helm without having a panic attack over our hues matching on a colour chart.

If a black person asks for black role models do you ask them about it? I doubt it because them being a minority seems to give hem having a 'preference' a pass.

You know what I'm fine with that. You might prefer long legged black girls or white girls to short legged ones....Or blue eyed Scandinavian girls to short squat Italian types.

Having a preference isn't being racist. Being racist is being racist. Believing that the stereotype of a Scandinavian bird can be more attractive than an Italian one doesn't mean that I think any difference as to their worth as actual human beings. I don't believe the short Italian bird is a worst human being just because of her genetics...It's purely a physical thing....Hey I'd probably still fcuk her anyway.

If you prefer your Bond to be white or your Shaft to be black it doesn't really matter.

All that matters is how you treat people in real life.

Fairness is what matters.....not thought policing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.21pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 7.23pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston The highlighted bit is me paraphrasing you, asking for clarity. You've now given me such and I think your preference is sad, out-dated and racist. No, it is you creating a strawman argument by purposefully misrepresenting what I said. Anyone you thinks that having a preference for Bond to be White is 'racist' is a fruit loop. I'm sure some Black people want Bond to be White.
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18 Jul 17 7.23pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The highlighted bit is me paraphrasing you, asking for clarity. You've now given me such and I think your preference is sad, out-dated and racist.

No, it is you creating a strawman argument by purposefully misrepresenting what I said.

Anyone you thinks that having a preference for Bond to be White is 'racist' is a fruit loop. I'm sure some Black people want Bond to be White.

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