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hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Jul 17 9.21pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Decreasing inequality is a relatively simple task and one that would improve productivity and social cohesion immensely. It's however unpopular with the Tories, their backers and the press barons (hence why the Tories don't like it). Simple strategies to decrease it range from small increases in top rates of tax, reductions in lower rates of tax, increases in minimum wages, increasing public investment in education (very important), reducing levels of regressive taxes in favour of progressive taxes, increasing inheritance tax significantly, making un-earned income (such as capital gains) taxable at the same rates as income, increasing public investment in infrastructure to improve physical mobility of people, increase levels and quality of affordable housing, provide state supported schemes to invest in start-ups (like a state owned VC business) that would then retain small shares (say 5%) in these companies once divested or listed and provide a "social dividend", increase levels of benefits in the same way that pensions are increase (triple lock) but also provide incentives to get back to work via improve access to training, investment in healthcare (particularly mental health), remove the draconian restrictions on union activity and collective action (very important), levies on pay of execs which is in excess of a multiple of their lowest paid worker (industry specific, but say levy on salaries over 20x that of lowest paid), abolish employers' NI and work the amount to be raised back into income tax (merge NI altogether into income tax). List goes on. So the 'equality' you are talking about is making it so that everyone has the same amount of assets and money, ie: taking money and assets from those that currently have more, until we all have the same?Would we all be 'equal' then?
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Jul 17 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He doesn't exist. And you are coward.
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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 17 Jul 17 10.24pm | |
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when I saw this thread I assume the OP would have posted "is a f***ing stupid looking Eton educated posh t*** who deserves to have his head shoved up his own arse"
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 9.14am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So the 'equality' you are talking about is making it so that everyone has the same amount of assets and money, ie: taking money and assets from those that currently have more, until we all have the same?Would we all be 'equal' then? No. Don't be facetious. I've only spoken about reducing inequality not creating perfect equality. Inequality is too high and creates inefficiencies and social tension.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Again, I ask you to present the terms of the votes he made. If they were Labour amendments tacked onto Tory bills, you know full well that the Tories will vote them down. Some of your categories are vague - 'generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights' is as ambiguous as it gets. Put some meat on the bones, lad, and instead of just pointing at banal interest postings back up your position with fact. He is, as you say bright, level headed and would be a good leader. He is mindful of traditions, democracy and courtesy. It is quite telling that people like Mhiari Black consider him a friend, he is some whom uses his abilities to cross divides, something much needed in this polarised country. Therefore Michael, keep going for that knock punch but unfortunately your attempts at provoking through insults have failed. No he wouldn't. More evidence today of what Tory leaders do. Life expectancy growth levelling off since 2010 (what was it that happened in 2010?). This is not a global phenomenon, we're behind many other parts of the world and behind places where growth hasn't slowed. There is a common thread running through all of these stories, on health, education, crime rates. It's austerity and the slash and burn tactics of the Tories when it comes to essential public services. It's no surprise that countries with higher life expectancy have lower levels of inequality and have not undertaken damaging ideological cuts to their economy and public services (Nordics, Japan, Australia, Canada, NZ, Korea). The Tories have undertaken policies that make our quality of life worse. Mogg would be the standard bearer for further destruction of society and living standards. He shows no understanding whatsoever of these issues and no willing to address them in a fair and sensible manner. Just more damaging cuts.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No he wouldn't. More evidence today of what Tory leaders do. Life expectancy growth levelling off since 2010 (what was it that happened in 2010?). This is not a global phenomenon, we're behind many other parts of the world and behind places where growth hasn't slowed. There is a common thread running through all of these stories, on health, education, crime rates. It's austerity and the slash and burn tactics of the Tories when it comes to essential public services. It's no surprise that countries with higher life expectancy have lower levels of inequality and have not undertaken damaging ideological cuts to their economy and public services (Nordics, Japan, Australia, Canada, NZ, Korea). The Tories have undertaken policies that make our quality of life worse. Mogg would be the standard bearer for further destruction of society and living standards. He shows no understanding whatsoever of these issues and no willing to address them in a fair and sensible manner. Just more damaging cuts. "Austerity" is a misleading word.I believe it should be termed "Living within your means".At the end of the day, NO Government of whatever hue restrains public expenditure just to make the electorate miserable.It is because control of public expenditure is the foundation for future job growth.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No he wouldn't. More evidence today of what Tory leaders do. Life expectancy growth levelling off since 2010 (what was it that happened in 2010?). This is not a global phenomenon, we're behind many other parts of the world and behind places where growth hasn't slowed. There is a common thread running through all of these stories, on health, education, crime rates. It's austerity and the slash and burn tactics of the Tories when it comes to essential public services. It's no surprise that countries with higher life expectancy have lower levels of inequality and have not undertaken damaging ideological cuts to their economy and public services (Nordics, Japan, Australia, Canada, NZ, Korea). The Tories have undertaken policies that make our quality of life worse. Mogg would be the standard bearer for further destruction of society and living standards. He shows no understanding whatsoever of these issues and no willing to address them in a fair and sensible manner. Just more damaging cuts. Some 3 Million more in work since 2010.More people in work than ever before.The lowest unemployment rate since 1975. Some 23 Million working-age adults pay no income tax at all which is a significant figure of nearly 44%. In fact of the 23 Million, some 4 Million were taken out of Income Tax by the Conservatives since 2010. Off my 'Soapbox' now. Cannot get into protracted political debate in the middle of a gout attack affecting my hand ! Have to limit my Internet activity whilst taking 'Indometacin'. Edited by Willo (18 Jul 2017 9.42am)
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leifandersonshair Newport 18 Jul 17 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Austerity" is a misleading word.I believe it should be termed "Living within your means".At the end of the day, NO Government of whatever hue restrains public expenditure just to make the electorate miserable.It is because control of public expenditure is the foundation for future job growth. And I believe it should be termed 'ideologically driven cuts to essential public services'. But you are correct- no government restrains expenditure to make the electorate miserable. That doesn't mean they don't make the electorate miserable regardless. Anyone who refuses to admit that this government hasn't inflicted misery and hardship on some of the most vulnerable in society is delusional. They (probably) didn't mean to. But they did.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Jul 17 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No. Don't be facetious. I've only spoken about reducing inequality not creating perfect equality. Inequality is too high and creates inefficiencies and social tension. How 'equal' do you propose to make us then?
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Austerity" is a misleading word.I believe it should be termed "Living within your means".At the end of the day, NO Government of whatever hue restrains public expenditure just to make the electorate miserable.It is because control of public expenditure is the foundation for future job growth.
Cameron and Osborne both admitted it was really a means to shrink the state and a thinly veiled attack on public services and society and at the same time cut taxes on large corporations and the rich.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Jul 17 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No he wouldn't. More evidence today of what Tory leaders do. Life expectancy growth levelling off since 2010 (what was it that happened in 2010?). This is not a global phenomenon, we're behind many other parts of the world and behind places where growth hasn't slowed. There is a common thread running through all of these stories, on health, education, crime rates. It's austerity and the slash and burn tactics of the Tories when it comes to essential public services. It's no surprise that countries with higher life expectancy have lower levels of inequality and have not undertaken damaging ideological cuts to their economy and public services (Nordics, Japan, Australia, Canada, NZ, Korea). The Tories have undertaken policies that make our quality of life worse. Mogg would be the standard bearer for further destruction of society and living standards. He shows no understanding whatsoever of these issues and no willing to address them in a fair and sensible manner. Just more damaging cuts. Tories killing us off early shock-horror!!! Personally, I think it might be due to rates of high blood pressure being generated by the ridiculous nonsense people of your ilk spout. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jul 2017 10.14am)
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Some 3 Million more in work since 2010.More people in work than ever before.The lowest unemployment rate since 1975. Some 23 Million working-age adults pay no income tax at all which is a significant figure of nearly 44%. In fact of the 23 Million, some 4 Million were taken out of Income Tax by the Conservatives since 2010. Off my 'Soapbox' now. Cannot get into protracted political debate in the middle of a gout attack affecting my hand ! Have to limit my Internet activity whilst taking 'Indometacin'. Edited by Willo (18 Jul 2017 9.42am) I would point out that their limited successes since 2010 were driven by the Lib Dems and tempered by Tory reluctance. Simple JSA and employment stats tell little of the true story. They don't delve into the nature of work, the diminished rights of workers, the precarious nature of much of these new "jobs", the fact that much of the increase is due to people being forced into self employment or so called "gig work", the falling real wages and living standards, the lack of investment in the economy, training and jobs by the private sector. Yet meanwhile bankers and CEOs continue to increase their bonuses and the multiple of their earnings over and above their lowest paid members of staff. The fact that 23 million adults earn less than £11,500 isn't a good thing. To break that down, that's less that £221 a week, less than £44 a (working) day, less than £6.30 an hour (assuming a 7 hour day), which is over £1.20 less than the hourly minimum wage, and £2.15 lower than the current living wage outside of London. So either 23 million adults are working part time (many forced to do so I might add) and earning less than they need to live, or either the government is allowing shoddy working practices where people are effectively getting paid below the legal minimum wage. I'd suggest a mixture of the two problems, both overlooked by the Tories in favour of trumpeting misleading stats.
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