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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Aug 16 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Master Coin
Clubs sell players eventually. I look at us and think we should be modelling ourselves on Southampton - accept you will end up selling people but ensure you get premium money for them when you do. And this is undoubtedly top end for Bolasie who's end product isn't sufficient for this level (as entertaining as he is). Agreed. We have to on average across the squad keep selling players for more than we bought them. There are going to be exceptions when they're crucial because you need experience or a guaranteed performer. Cabaye, benteke and another forward for example. If we sign a successful winger for half or less of Bolasie's transfer then it's a strategy that's working healthily. We do not have a competitive revenue outside of tv money. We're about 15th in revenue and until you have the squad filled with quality, you have to duck and dive make sure as much as you can that all deals benefit us long-term and keep us stable in the league.
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rollercoaster Cornwall 10 Aug 16 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yeah, he is so bad that a big club like Everton want to pay 30 million for him. How people kid themselves to toe the party line and how short memories are. This is a negative move and smacks of lack of ambition. Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. " I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Aug 16 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It is not about swapping, it is about strength of Squad. What happens if Zaha and or Townsend are injured? It cannot be argued that selling Bolasie makes us stronger. It can only be a profit making decision. I am not buying that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Aug 16 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. " I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.
Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. " I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.
Yeah if everyone followed that logic nobody would buy anyone from paranoia and nobody would sell anyone and start retraining the player.
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coulsdoneagle London 10 Aug 16 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is not about swapping, it is about strength of Squad. What happens if Zaha and or Townsend are injured? It cannot be argued that selling Bolasie makes us stronger. It can only be a profit making decision. I am not buying that.
Either way Everton are an upgrade and it appears Bolasie wanted to go, I don't begrudge him that after everything he has done. I just hope we get a replacement or Sullay steps up!
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
Either way Everton are an upgrade and it appears Bolasie wanted to go, I don't begrudge him that after everything he has done. I just hope we get a replacement or Sullay steps up! I don't think the Benteke deal slowed because of FFP. Net Transfer spend was only +£10mil and we've released and sold quite a few players reducing the wage bill. Chamakh £40k, Adebayor £67k, Gayle (£30k ?), McCarthy (£20k at least?). Then there's the annual increase allowed. Wasn't it £12mil or £16mil last season? That's between £230k and £300k per season. How much is it this season? Or has it stopped? I doubt it. I think it might have slowed, or we might not have increased our bid because when you know you have £30mil coming in you can buy Benteke and a winger and/or whatever else. We didn't just put all our eggs in one basket type of strategy. I think in basic terms we look to improve quality but increase quantity of that quality whilst also netting a profit for further squad improvements if a deal appears and/or any infrastructure spend not on rebuilding main stand/WH end that the US money is for. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Aug 2016 12.20pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Aug 16 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don't think the Benteke deal slowed because of FFP. Net Transfer spend was only +£10mil and we've released and sold quite a few players. I think it might have slowed, or we might not have increased our bid because when you know you have £30mil coming in you can buy Benteke and a winger and/or whatever else. We didn't just put all our eggs in one basket type of strategy. I think in basic terms we look to improve quality but increase quantity of that quality whilst also netting a profit for further squad improvements if a deal appears and/or any infrastructure spend not on rebuilding main stand/WH end that the US money is for. In the end, points are all that matter. When ever you raise objections to club decisions you are set upon by the Parish can do no wrong brigade. The problem is that when you get away with a skin of the teeth policy for several years you start to believe that you always will. For obvious reasons, I hope I am wrong and we prosper.
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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 10 Aug 16 12.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do. Not sure I buy the 'Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do' line. If the price is right then any club will sell - eg Bale to Real, Ronaldo to Real etc etc. If, as you say, we dont 'need' to sell Bolasie or that you dont believe his sale allows us to buy Benteke then the only only other reason for selling him is that Yala wants to go. And when a player wants to go, then there's Not alot the club can do about it. Apart from making as much money out of the deal as possible.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In the end, points are all that matter. When ever you raise objections to club decisions you are set upon by the Parish can do no wrong brigade. The problem is that when you get away with a skin of the teeth policy for several years you start to believe that you always will. For obvious reasons, I hope I am wrong and we prosper. I know what you're saying and I agree with you, but what you're actually referring to is buying policy. Bolasie we are selling. If we buy someone with quality to add to Zaha and Townsend on the wing then your concern on wide positions is probably gone. All our other signings have been very good and not cheap. We are now about to sign one forward and not cheap. Ideally we need another. Until the window is over you cannot properly evaluate, but we are not in the market forany more Mutch, Lee, Sako level of player. SP and AP have learnt that is not the way for us to go anymore as a prem club.
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Aray South London 10 Aug 16 12.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do. So when Liverpool sold Suarez they showed a lack of ambition? Juve sell Pogba, Spurs sell Bale, Manure sell Ronaldo, Beckham. I could go on but i wont - why because its silly as is this argument. I think the club has a player angling for a shot at a bigger club. There's been plenty of noise this past year. This is a player who is inconsistent - to say the least. We've bought a player with less tricks but a better track record of delivering a cross and scoring actual goals. Hopefully we will get a tricky attacking midfielder as well and we'll have a plan B this season.
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Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Aug 16 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yeah, he is so bad that a big club like Everton want to pay 30 million for him. How people kid themselves to toe the party line and how short memories are. This is a negative move and smacks of lack of ambition. Yes it is a business decision, a business decision by the owners of CPFC. Personally I think they've done more than enough for our support in their decisions.
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