Thing is, I've never actually experienced any attempt by Muslims to convert me or otherwise force their views on me, despite living in an area that has a sizable Muslim population.

But there have been three visits in five years from the two 'evangelical' church asking if 'I'd be interested in hearing the good word' and a visit from the 'holy high pants of nonsense' brigade (Mormans).

Our 'Christian Traditions' are essentially the product of a King having 'had enough of religious interference' in the domination of state, and deciding to resolve a four hundred year old problem.

And yet, still that elimination of the power of religion, resulted in the Church of England and ultimately Anglican faiths coming about, and still ending up trying to decide for everyone how they should live and behave.

Of course the irony of people defending a migrant belief system, that has its basis in militancy, and the middle east, as being rightfully the 'dominant faith' of the country and thus dismissing an older, and related faith, with the same god, as having any validity is amusing.

The simple fact is that Abrahamic faiths are seeped in the idea of telling people what is right and demanding that they abide by their right to do so, even when it would be no problem to actually allow people to decide for themselves.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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It is the nature of religion to recruit disciples and force it's dogma on others. Personal belief is one thing but most people would not have the belief they do without indoctrination from organised religion.

As you say, it has no place in decision making and can only act divisively. Judaism,Islam, Catholicism or whoever, it makes no difference to me. It's all the same. I just can't believe we are having to deal with this stuff in 2015.
Rather than discouraging our latest wave of medieval nonsense, we are allowing Mosques to be built all over the place. That's not forgetting all the churches of other newer religions that seem to be popping up everywhere. There is always money for them of course.

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Fortunately I, like you, am completely independent thinking and have not been tainted by the views and values of e.g. the Church or any other interest group.

For you see I practice cerebral hygiene and therefore only read articles written by people that agree with me. It takes a lot of stress out of modern life and allows me to focus on the objective truth.

It's worth remembering that the C of E is presently mid-schism and doesn't even agree within itself how people should live.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

They might have different views but they still have Christian values.

How about having our names in colours? Scum, I mean Tory in Blue proper leftie in red , green , New Labour etc . Then we can all know where we stand.

PS I am not responsible for the last bit being in a colour, the syntax says it should be off.

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Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

Well except when it comes to urging MPs and followers to oppose say 'assisted suicide' etc. There in lies the problem not that an organization has to state 'do this', but that it can use a democratic process in order to exert its will by getting its supporters to pressure, lobby and vote to determine how people will be allowed to live.

For example, on Assisted Suicide. The outcome, is that many MPs followed their 'religious convictions' and voted against the bill, and in doing so, removed the right to choose from everyone else, and call it democracy (when in fact its not its a passive repression of freedom of the individual).

Democracy to be real, must allow wherever possible, people to decide for themselves how to live their life, rather than have a majority in the position to dictate what is permitted (obviously where there in no clear consensus in society, the choice should be with the individual, not the majority).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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