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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 05 Aug 15 9.56am
Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f*** our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. Yes but they are no longer 'illegal' and under the radar so are subject to the same rules, regs and taxation requirements as any migrant who has done everything the right way As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 05 Aug 15 9.56am

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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO.

Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f*** our daughters...

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted.

Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants.

The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.

Yes but they are no longer 'illegal' and under the radar so are subject to the same rules, regs and taxation requirements as any migrant who has done everything the right way

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Catfish Burgess Hill 05 Aug 15 10.15am
Quote -TUX- at 04 Aug 2015 7.15pm Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 6.35pm There is little evidence that the benefit system is open to abuse or that illegal migrants are taking social housing. If it is accepted that is the case you have to look for other reasons that make the UK attractive" The main incentive for migrants, whether illegal or legal is work, and always has been. The key differences between this country and other European countries is how easy it is to enter the black economy. The lack of a national labour inspectorate and, most importantly, the lack of national ID cards are what make the difference. There have been attempts to shore up the system in other ways. Fines for employers and landlords, labour restrictions on asylum seekers and plans to prosecute illegal workers and seize wages. All of this was planned by Labour to create a "hostile environment" ( a term coined by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne). Labour also of course planned to introduce national ID cards but the scheme was scrapped by the Tories. Labour were on the right track and the perception among migrants that we are still an open house for illegal workers is one that has been allowed to continue by the coalition and present government. If the British public are serious about controlling migration they will have to accept the kind of in country restrictions that exist elsewhere. This is where the libertarian right and the paranoid left meet in a common cause. It is ironic that the key measure that might help control illegal migration is opposed by those most in favour and most against immigration controls. I respectfully disagree. Every country has a 'Black Market'. It's an major part of any economy. Take this particular money stream out of the equation and life would be far worse than it is now. Not for the 'cash in hand' merchants, but for the rest of us. A Black Market 'generally' keeps those who want less than others happy. As long as the majority can pay for cheap digs/fags/beer/whatever else then they'll be content, in the main. Should they not be able to afford their relatively cheap existence then batten down the hatches as they'll find alternative ways to earn money. I certainly don't dispute the existence of a shadow economy and I am sure you are right that it will always exist. My contention is that it is easier to enter our shadow economy than that of many others. Anyone I know who has lived in France for instance says that you cannot exist without presenting proof of ID at regular intervals for work, housing, benefits, services etc. we on the other hand have a national aversion to such intrusion but there is a price to pay. Our problem stems from a complete disconnect across government in managing identity and entitlement to services. It has improved in recent years but there is still a naive faith that a national insurance card has some value in proving identity - which it doesn't. There have been 20 million more NI numbers issued than there are people in the UK. The issue of identity management needs to grow up and take on board the new realities of Internet ID fraud and all the other growing scams, including illegal migration, people smuggling, labour exploitation and trafficking. Instead of crying "big brother" every time the issue is mentioned we need to accept that we all need a lock on our services and a copyright on our own identities. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Burgess Hill 05 Aug 15 10.15am

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Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 6.35pm

There is little evidence that the benefit system is open to abuse or that illegal migrants are taking social housing. If it is accepted that is the case you have to look for other reasons that make the UK attractive"

The main incentive for migrants, whether illegal or legal is work, and always has been. The key differences between this country and other European countries is how easy it is to enter the black economy. The lack of a national labour inspectorate and, most importantly, the lack of national ID cards are what make the difference.

There have been attempts to shore up the system in other ways. Fines for employers and landlords, labour restrictions on asylum seekers and plans to prosecute illegal workers and seize wages. All of this was planned by Labour to create a "hostile environment" ( a term coined by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne). Labour also of course planned to introduce national ID cards but the scheme was scrapped by the Tories.

Labour were on the right track and the perception among migrants that we are still an open house for illegal workers is one that has been allowed to continue by the coalition and present government.

If the British public are serious about controlling migration they will have to accept the kind of in country restrictions that exist elsewhere. This is where the libertarian right and the paranoid left meet in a common cause. It is ironic that the key measure that might help control illegal migration is opposed by those most in favour and most against immigration controls.

I respectfully disagree.
Every country has a 'Black Market'. It's an major part of any economy. Take this particular money stream out of the equation and life would be far worse than it is now. Not for the 'cash in hand' merchants, but for the rest of us.
A Black Market 'generally' keeps those who want less than others happy. As long as the majority can pay for cheap digs/fags/beer/whatever else then they'll be content, in the main.
Should they not be able to afford their relatively cheap existence then batten down the hatches as they'll find alternative ways to earn money.

I certainly don't dispute the existence of a shadow economy and I am sure you are right that it will always exist. My contention is that it is easier to enter our shadow economy than that of many others. Anyone I know who has lived in France for instance says that you cannot exist without presenting proof of ID at regular intervals for work, housing, benefits, services etc. we on the other hand have a national aversion to such intrusion but there is a price to pay.

Our problem stems from a complete disconnect across government in managing identity and entitlement to services. It has improved in recent years but there is still a naive faith that a national insurance card has some value in proving identity - which it doesn't. There have been 20 million more NI numbers issued than there are people in the UK.

The issue of identity management needs to grow up and take on board the new realities of Internet ID fraud and all the other growing scams, including illegal migration, people smuggling, labour exploitation and trafficking. Instead of crying "big brother" every time the issue is mentioned we need to accept that we all need a lock on our services and a copyright on our own identities.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 05 Aug 15 10.17am
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Aug 2015 9.07am ^^^^ Read my reply to Stirling's post re:EU freedom of movement. That'll answer your question about policy. Beyond the EU borders we do have strict immigration control which I agree with. You can't just legally turn up and live here like the Zims and Springboks do unless you tick a few required boxes. It is not the free for all you imagine it to be in that head of your's. So what is your immigration policy beyond that of a Stalinist state? I'm not wading through legal and your reams of cuttlefish-ink. Why do you agree with 'strict immigration controls', why do we need them? Why do you say that South Africans and Zimbabweans are subject to different controls to others - in what way? My immigration policy? To reduce it to as near zero as is practically possible. Just for the record, once again it would be useful to know your view as to why we need any sort of immigration controls. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote Kermit8 at 05 Aug 2015 9.07am

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Read my reply to Stirling's post re:EU freedom of movement. That'll answer your question about policy.

Beyond the EU borders we do have strict immigration control which I agree with. You can't just legally turn up and live here like the Zims and Springboks do unless you tick a few required boxes.

It is not the free for all you imagine it to be in that head of your's.

So what is your immigration policy beyond that of a Stalinist state?

I'm not wading through legal and your reams of cuttlefish-ink. Why do you agree with 'strict immigration controls', why do we need them? Why do you say that South Africans and Zimbabweans are subject to different controls to others - in what way?

My immigration policy? To reduce it to as near zero as is practically possible.

Just for the record, once again it would be useful to know your view as to why we need any sort of immigration controls.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 Aug 15 11.15am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) Well you'd know about unsubstantiated BS more than anyone due to 99.9% of everything you post being just that.
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Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm

Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm

Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm

Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am

Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am

Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am

Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am

Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.

I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in????

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

Well you'd know about unsubstantiated BS more than anyone due to 99.9% of everything you post being just that.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 11.32am
Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 11.15am Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) Well you'd know about unsubstantiated BS more than anyone due to 99.9% of everything you post being just that. The ad hominem arguments are becoming dull now Fue. People will stop taking your points seriously
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Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 11.32am

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Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm

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Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm

Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am

Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am

Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am

Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am

Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

Well you'd know about unsubstantiated BS more than anyone due to 99.9% of everything you post being just that.

The ad hominem arguments are becoming dull now Fue. People will stop taking your points seriously

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 Aug 15 11.50am
So after reading through the reams of shyte from certain useful idiots on here it's quite obvious that we should be calling Taylor Wimpey to build a huge bridge across the channel, down with the wire fences, to hell with border controls, let's let everyone in and to hell with the consecquences. There's no pointing in reasoning with an idiot.
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So after reading through the reams of shyte from certain useful idiots on here it's quite obvious that we should be calling Taylor Wimpey to build a huge bridge across the channel, down with the wire fences, to hell with border controls, let's let everyone in and to hell with the consecquences.
There's no pointing in reasoning with an idiot.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 11.52am
Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 11.50am So after reading through the reams of shyte from certain useful idiots on here it's quite obvious that we should be calling Taylor Wimpey to build a huge bridge across the channel, down with the wire fences, to hell with border controls, let's let everyone in and to hell with the consecquences. There's no pointing in reasoning with an idiot. Name those who have said they want to let everyone in?
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Name those who have said they want to let everyone in?

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Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Aug 2015 10.17am Quote Kermit8 at 05 Aug 2015 9.07am ^^^^ Read my reply to Stirling's post re:EU freedom of movement. That'll answer your question about policy. Beyond the EU borders we do have strict immigration control which I agree with. You can't just legally turn up and live here like the Zims and Springboks do unless you tick a few required boxes. It is not the free for all you imagine it to be in that head of your's. So what is your immigration policy beyond that of a Stalinist state? I'm not wading through legal and your reams of cuttlefish-ink. Why do you agree with 'strict immigration controls', why do we need them? Why do you say that South Africans and Zimbabweans are subject to different controls to others - in what way? My immigration policy? To reduce it to as near zero as is practically possible. Just for the record, once again it would be useful to know your view as to why we need any sort of immigration controls. Kermie the Cuttlefish. I feel a new Viz character coming on..... Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Aug 2015 10.17am

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Aug 2015 9.07am

^^^^

It is not the free for all you imagine it to be in that head of your's.

So what is your immigration policy beyond that of a Stalinist state?

My immigration policy? To reduce it to as near zero as is practically possible.

Just for the record, once again it would be useful to know your view as to why we need any sort of immigration controls.

Kermie the Cuttlefish. I feel a new Viz character coming on.....

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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johnfirewall 05 Aug 15 12.12pm
So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy. That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France. Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid. Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility. Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities?
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So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy.

That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France.

Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid.

Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility.

Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities?

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 Aug 15 12.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 11.52am Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 11.50am So after reading through the reams of shyte from certain useful idiots on here it's quite obvious that we should be calling Taylor Wimpey to build a huge bridge across the channel, down with the wire fences, to hell with border controls, let's let everyone in and to hell with the consecquences. There's no pointing in reasoning with an idiot. Name those who have said they want to let everyone in? Gussett, don't give it the 'I never said that' guff. People like you would have welcomed the Nazis with open arms. You make me sick.
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Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 11.50am

Name those who have said they want to let everyone in?

Gussett, don't give it the 'I never said that' guff. People like you would have welcomed the Nazis with open arms. You make me sick.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 Aug 15 12.51pm
Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 12.12pm So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy. That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France. Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid. Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility. Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities? Exactly John, but that's too much like common sense for some of these Liberal idiots.
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Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 12.12pm

So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy.

That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France.

Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid.

Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility.

Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities?

Exactly John, but that's too much like common sense for some of these Liberal idiots.

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Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 12.51pm Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 12.12pm So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy. That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France. Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid. Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility. Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities? Exactly John, but that's too much like common sense for some of these Liberal idiots. Has your Mrs run off with the local Polish builder? Any point you make becomes flawed by being so vitriolic. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Quote fed up eagle at 05 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 12.12pm

So far we've established those in Calais may or may not have come from warzones, may or may not work if they get here and may or may not benefit the economy.

That's all pretty conclusive compared to the evidence so far for why they shouldn't just stay in France.

Their presence in Calais isn't a result of EU efforts to assure passage to Dover so that all EU states accept their fair share. They got themselves there. So that argument is invalid.

Their work ethic is irrelevent. People aren't advocating entry for the sake of the UK but out of their own liberal sense of responsibility.

Why not head south and assimilate with other French migrant communities?

Exactly John, but that's too much like common sense for some of these Liberal idiots.

Has your Mrs run off with the local Polish builder?

Any point you make becomes flawed by being so vitriolic.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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