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TheJudge Flag 24 Apr 15 10.57am

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Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?

 

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 24 Apr 15 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 10.57am

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.33am

Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?


I haven't made any wild and unsubstantiated claims and therefore don't need to prove anything. Where's your evidence that "...every one prefers to be around people like themselves"?

I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able.

 


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TheJudge Flag 24 Apr 15 1.16pm

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.56pm

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 10.57am

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.33am

Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?


I haven't made any wild and unsubstantiated claims and therefore don't need to prove anything. Where's your evidence that "...every one prefers to be around people like themselves"?

I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able.

What a pointless post. Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.
However, the anecdotal evidence is backed up by statistics. [Link]

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 24 Apr 15 8.18pm

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There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible.
I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity.
I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time.
Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen.
I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace.
I am incredibly grateful

Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be.


The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't.

The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them.


What's your factual evidence for all this?


Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm)

He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion.

You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round.
You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right.
Why?


it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people.

Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas.

The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc.

Read what was written ffs.
My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations.



Even the person who you "agreed" with disagrees with you.

Not the brightest?

 


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legaleagle Flag 24 Apr 15 9.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Apr 2015 6.42am

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As of the 2011 census 86.2 % of people living there were born in the Uk...I appreciate you grew up there well before then,but seems unlikely the figure would have been under 50%.So it might depend on how you define yourself in terms of having been a "minority" and what particularly distinguished "the others" in Stockwell from this in your view..


I left Stockwell as a seventeen year old back in 86. We left just around the time that yuppies started looking at the very cheap but good housing stock around some of the 'quieter' streets...A reasonable amount of time after the riots...But I couldn't really tell you what Stockwell was like now.

What I can tell you was that back when our family moved into Stockwell Park Estate we were very much a minority. For this case I'll define minority as a British family whose cultural ties and allegiance was actually to Britain.......That definitely put us in the minority there......You obviously don't know a lot about the Stockwell of the time.....I would have liked you to have walked down 'Electric Avenue' with your egalitarian attitudes in your formative years.

My old man worked his nuts off getting us out of that hell-hole.

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Your memory is going Stirling!

As you know (cause I told you previously in a pm) in the early 80's I was living right next to Stockwell at the top end of Brixton Road in Kennington, so actually I do know about Stockwell (and Electric Avenue for that matter) at that time

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legaleagle Flag 24 Apr 15 9.47pm

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Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 10.57am

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Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?


I haven't made any wild and unsubstantiated claims and therefore don't need to prove anything. Where's your evidence that "...every one prefers to be around people like themselves"?

I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able.

What a pointless post. Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.
However, the anecdotal evidence is backed up by statistics. [Link]


Were you not the poster who not long ago attacked the University College London academics' report about the economic benefits of immigration on the basis that those kind of statistics were not perfect and therefore couldn't reasonably be used as evidence to support a credible argument?

Or would that only apply where statistics are used in support of a point of view you agree with?

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Quote legaleagle at 24 Apr 2015 9.41pm

Your memory is going Stirling!

As you know (cause I told you previously in a pm) in the early 80's I was living right next to Stockwell at the top end of Brixton Road in Kennington, so actually I do know about Stockwell (and Electric Avenue for that matter) at that time

Edited by legaleagle (24 Apr 2015 9.43pm)


If you lived there at that time then you should indeed know what I'm talking about.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 15 10.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 24 Apr 2015 9.47pm

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 1.16pm

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.56pm

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 10.57am

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.33am

Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?


I haven't made any wild and unsubstantiated claims and therefore don't need to prove anything. Where's your evidence that "...every one prefers to be around people like themselves"?

I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able.

What a pointless post. Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.
However, the anecdotal evidence is backed up by statistics. [Link]


Were you not the poster who not long ago attacked the University College London academics' report about the economic benefits of immigration on the basis that those kind of statistics were not perfect and therefore couldn't reasonably be used as evidence to support a credible argument?

Or would that only apply where statistics are used in support of a point of view you agree with?

Edited by legaleagle (24 Apr 2015 10.41pm)


Sorry legal but that's hardly a logical answer.

You either accept the statistics for a reason or you don't for a reason. What someone else does is not the point.

He was moaned at to provide proof, he provides it and then you moan at him......He said he didn't feel there was a need for proof on such an obvious thing in the first place.

But yet you have a moan and play the man instead of the ball.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2015 10.54pm)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Apr 15 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

re: Brixton and Stockwell....


Yeah, there were a disproportionate amount of 'ethnics' compared to other places in London in the 70's and 80's but as a regular to the areas myself I have to say that the majority were still white British and Irish in my eyes view.

Just because your immediate neighbours may be of a different hue does not mean the rest of the local populace are too. You gotta look outside the box.

 


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legaleagle Flag 25 Apr 15 12.54am

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Edited by legaleagle (24 Apr 2015 10.41pm)


Sorry legal but that's hardly a logical answer.

You either accept the statistics for a reason or you don't for a reason. What someone else does is not the point.

He was moaned at to provide proof, he provides it and then you moan at him......He said he didn't feel there was a need for proof on such an obvious thing in the first place.

But yet you have a moan and play the man instead of the ball.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2015 10.54pm)


I think his post in question that his link related to was:

"Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided".

What is interesting in his statistics is that it seems from his link he may actually (I hope not) be talking about race not culture when he refers to "people like themselves" since the statistics he uses in support of his point are largely based on race.The categories in them,forming it seems research carried out for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, are "white british","white non British","Black/Black british" and "Asian/Asian British". Nothing whatsoever to do with cultures unless someone is one of those ignoramuses who,for example, think all "Blacks" or "Asians" or "non british whites" are of the same culture,and that "people like themselves" could only ever be,for example, "white British".

So,"non British whites" all prefer to live together, whether from Poland,New Zealand, Iceland, Portugal or Argentina,and apart from all of the other three categories then do they? That's the logic...that is if anyone wants to suggest the map in question is something to be relied on in the context of his post...as showing what you say is "obvious".

Is he suggesting people of differing races in the UK all generally prefer to live apart? Would you suggest that?

One place with an ideology which took the view that "races" preferred to live apart was Apartheid in South Africa.So,maybe any adherents of that general viewpoint here might have more in common with the philosophical roots of Apartheid than they might think.

I think he earlier posted that Britain was also becoming divided on religious lines geographically.There may be something in that.The 2011 census did indicate higher proportions of people declaring themselves to be of the "Jedi Knight" religion in places like Portsmouth,Norwich and Brighton,than elsewhere.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 1.47am)

 

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 25 Apr 15 1.21am Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 1.16pm

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.56pm

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 10.57am

Quote Seth at 24 Apr 2015 12.33am

Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.


Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?


I haven't made any wild and unsubstantiated claims and therefore don't need to prove anything. Where's your evidence that "...every one prefers to be around people like themselves"?

I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able.

What a pointless post. Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.
However, the anecdotal evidence is backed up by statistics. [Link]

That doesn't back up your argument in the slightest. The map shows every area is mixed. Some have more of one or other ethnicity, but none are exclusively one or the other and, crucially, nothing supports your claim that "every one prefers to be around people like themselves".

In fact, according to a recent poll by Lord Ashcroft (a Tory btw), 70% of the general population think multiculturalism is a good thing [Link] [Link] and a survey in 2005 said a majority thought multiculturalism makes the country a better place [Link]

Do you have any facts, or is your statement merely based on your own opinion, backed up by nothing at all?


Edited by Seth (25 Apr 2015 1.27am)

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 25 Apr 15 1.25am Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote TheJudge at 24 Apr 2015 1.16pm

Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.


So you back up your first inane generalisation with yet another inane generalisation, which again proves the square root of f*ck all.

You're not very good at this debating lark are you? Been taking lessons from susmik by any chance?

Edited by Seth (25 Apr 2015 1.28am)

 


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