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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm
Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset. Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS. The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008. Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff. Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified. My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves! Of course, certain posters will dismiss this. More here... [Link]
Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them? Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure? Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda? I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses. I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff. I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this. You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up. I would urge you to back up your opinions. Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
You said that the head of BMA has said there is a crisis in A&E and I have asked what that is and you didn't answer. Well, only to call me a tosser. Crisis in the NHS is a term that is being bandied about this election by a lot of people. Yet I have not heard a credible or backed up reasoning for this. If you cannot answer and have to resort to insults when asked, well that says a lot to me. I dont know what qualifies an NHS crisis, but i can tell you from repeated experience that at my GP (currently rated #1 in bromley with a 95.2% customer satisfaction rating) it takes around 3 weeks to try and get an appointment. I havent even mentioned the time it takes to get refered for dental treatment or the current state of the london ambulance service. Theres mostly definitely a crisis in the NHS recognition of which, never mind a solution to, aint forthcoming from any of the poltical parties.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 15 Apr 15 9.48am |
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A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
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| Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 15 10.11am | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 10.25am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Apr 2015 10.11am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am) Who will pick the fruit?
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| Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 15 10.57am | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am) Who will pick the fruit?
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 15 Apr 15 11.05am |
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There was a documentary where they sent young unemployed people to pick asparagus or something. They were inefficient, lazy and gave up after a few hours! I think you have a point, Hoof. There was another documentary (Costa del Sol - last Brits standing) where a load of British pensioners turn up at Spanish hospitals, need an interpreter because they can't speak the language, and basically bung a load of free healthcare at the Spaniards' expense! If I was living there I'd be livid! I think it's reasonable to make people pay a bit up from for things like GP appointments. Even if it was only a few quid it would cut down the queues to people who really need to see a doctor.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 15 Apr 15 12.03pm |
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IMO, you can't deny that overcrowding is a major factor (every spare inch in Lewisham borough is currently having a 20 story being built on it) but I honestly think the main problem is the NHS is being run down deliberately. Around 15 years ago, all my local GP practices (6 or 7 of them I think) were almalgamated into one big group practice. When it opened, there were 12 registered GP's, their website is now reporting 8 - but, I don't see any more then 3 working at any one point (I've had a few health run in's recently so I've had a lot of recent experience). Last year, they stopped same day appointments. When I tried to get one a few months back I was given a 12 day wait. There's a 'walk in' service most afternoons that sees the first 14 people only (I went to it, got there about an hour early, and would've been 20th in the queue!). They'll only see 14 because it's just one GP working. A paranoid chap would start to think that somebody, somewhere has decided they don't like the UK having free healthcare anymore.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Apr 15 12.06pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Apr 2015 10.57am
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am) Who will pick the fruit?
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 15 Apr 15 12.16pm |
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I see the Libs have launched theirs - Cleggs only tack being Farage and the SNP are c*nts - vote for me I'm less of a c*** - I wonder what stopped him forming a 'coalition with conscience' last time then ??? Launching his manifesto, the Lib Dem leader said he would seek to form a "coalition with conscience" that would not "lurch off to the extremes".
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 12.34pm |
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Quote Jimenez at 15 Apr 2015 12.06pm
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 10.25am
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am) Who will pick the fruit?
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 15 Apr 15 3.07pm |
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Quote Superfly at 15 Apr 2015 12.03pm
IMO, you can't deny that overcrowding is a major factor (every spare inch in Lewisham borough is currently having a 20 story being built on it) but I honestly think the main problem is the NHS is being run down deliberately. Around 15 years ago, all my local GP practices (6 or 7 of them I think) were almalgamated into one big group practice. When it opened, there were 12 registered GP's, their website is now reporting 8 - but, I don't see any more then 3 working at any one point (I've had a few health run in's recently so I've had a lot of recent experience). Last year, they stopped same day appointments. When I tried to get one a few months back I was given a 12 day wait. There's a 'walk in' service most afternoons that sees the first 14 people only (I went to it, got there about an hour early, and would've been 20th in the queue!). They'll only see 14 because it's just one GP working. A paranoid chap would start to think that somebody, somewhere has decided they don't like the UK having free healthcare anymore. You say that like you think it's all decided by some ideological politician somewhere. I doubt there's some cuthroat heartless Tory health minister saying, "let's starve Lewisham of GPs until our buddies in private healthcare are hitting their financial targets". The NHS is primarily run for its employees (patients coming a poor second). Within the current system, to get lots of GPs to work somewhere like Lewisham you have basically have to bribe them. Otherwise they're going to choose to work somewhere else (eg, abroad, like most British-born doctors choose to nowadays). In Germany, local GP practices are private businesses. They fit lots of patients in because it makes them money. Which works well for the patients. The NHS works pretty well, most of the time, for its staff. Patients less so. NHS, best healthcare system in the world. Keep believing it, lefties!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Apr 15 3.55pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Apr 2015 10.11am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am)
Where I live there is a 's**t tonne' of students - which means there are GP surgeries a plenty to cope with the 'seasonal surges'. Couple in cuts, absurd restructuring and increasing attraction of private practices, the entire GP system has been shagged by New Labour and then taken up the jacksy by the Conservatives. Still only takes me about a day or so to get an appointment, just realise that everyone else books an 'emergency appointment', otherwise the GP will probably be retiring by the time you get an appointment.
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