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Multiculturalism is such a success story isn't it. Cameron telling us that IS are a threat here as well. 0.12 percent of muslim males in the uk. Suggests that multiculturalism is working. About 10% of northern Ireland were members of the IRA
not really because more than 2% of that muslim population are going to be the target of at 2%. Look at Iraq. Those actually fighting Isis are mostly Muslims also. Same world over. Extremist like Isis are mostly killing and fighting other Muslims. You mean apart from the American reporter,and the other religions they have been beheading and slaughtering. one American gets killed and its news. Yes theyve killed christians and an American, and a metric s*** ton of muslims
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Aug 14 4.46pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Aug 14 4.57pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture.
Where would you put this state? What country should give up their teritory to house these animals? Maybe somewhere with international jurisdiction like the Antartic? Yes a lot of these people would melt away but as with Pol Pot (to a degree), once the fear of them is removed, the people will rise against anyone who tries to disappear. You cannot be rational with these people. That is why we are always destined to lose unless we do something more drastic.
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elgrande bedford 20 Aug 14 4.58pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture. I thought that is whats been happening.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Aug 14 5.09pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture.
Where would you put this state? What country should give up their teritory to house these animals? Maybe somewhere with international jurisdiction like the Antartic? Yes a lot of these people would melt away but as with Pol Pot (to a degree), once the fear of them is removed, the people will rise against anyone who tries to disappear. You cannot be rational with these people. That is why we are always destined to lose unless we do something more drastic.
Not really, a huge force would be necessary to get them to the negotiating table. Why else would they bother? They are pretty much doing what they want at present bar the odd air-strike. As for where would the state be, the obvious answer is more-or-less where it is already. I don't really like the idea of some radical Islamic state but if so many people seem to be attracted to it then who are we to stop them? Inevitably there will just be an escalation of the conflict until some solution is found.
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Aug 14 5.12pm | |
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As they are determined to live in a sharia law infested caliphate then let them create one - move all of them in from whichever country they currently call home and then they can stone each others wives to death and cut off each others heads for blasphemy to their hearts content
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Aug 14 5.13pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture. I thought that is whats been happening. In a way it is except ISIS have just carved out their own territory without any agreement and our huge force is not much more than 1 or 2 squadrons of aircraft and part of a naval task force along with some American Special Advisers. The Kurds are pretty much looking after their own defence and are really being let down by not being reinforced. Truth be told, I wonder whether Western advisers really want a Kurdish state? It never seemed high on the agenda before. Looks like they are getting one the hard way at present.
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As they are determined to live in a sharia law infested caliphate then let them create one - move all of them in from whichever country they currently call home and then they can stone each others wives to death and cut off each others heads for blasphemy to their hearts content This is basically what I mean. Let the radicals have their state and then police the borders really well - keep them there and out of more integrated cultures.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Aug 14 5.28pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture. I thought that is whats been happening. In a way it is except ISIS have just carved out their own territory without any agreement and our huge force is not much more than 1 or 2 squadrons of aircraft and part of a naval task force along with some American Special Advisers. The Kurds are pretty much looking after their own defence and are really being let down by not being reinforced. Truth be told, I wonder whether Western advisers really want a Kurdish state? It never seemed high on the agenda before. Looks like they are getting one the hard way at present.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Aug 14 7.36pm | |
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The problem is that there are too many bleeding hearts and the way war is conducted is governed by the media. Large parts of IS could be wiped off the face of the earth without too much trouble and minimal collateral damage. Big Boys games = Big Boys Rules. No one wants to play though and how would that be achieved?
Get Assad on side (yes I know) and provide him with the necessary hardware (ceryain conditions to apply) When attacks are launched, they need to be of a scale that if anyone is left alive, they are no use to man or beast. We cannot beat them with media,the impaxt of last night shows that. So why bother? There will be many people in IS who are nowhere near as fanatical as the poepl trotted out for these atrocities. They need to be terrified, so f***ing scared that they jump at their own shadow. Some innocent people will die but many more will be saved. They are vermin, they must be exterminated, it really us that simple. Problem is that they're in 'bandit' country. That part of Iraq the US had trouble suppressing Insurgent activity with the surge. I'm not sure we could secure sufficient logistics to mount any real campaign without substantial re-deployment into Iraq. Special forces aren't really suited to full scale engagements, and with ISIS firmly encamped in a number of cities and limited friendlies on the ground, the danger is probably too high to risk small scale forces without suppressing the enemies capacity to move freely. Intelligence gathering and small scale operations generally work better with available support active in the area. Its unlikely the Kurds will go further than Mosul (and they probably won't give it back afterwards) whilst ISIS have driven back attempts by the Iraqi military to push into Tikrit. ISIS aren't the only group active in that area, there are still Baathist factions and more traditional sunni insurgent groups that are very well established, and know the area and people well - and for them ISIS represent a better option than the Iraqi Shia dominated government. ISIS are a convenient ally and they're not going to side with the US or UK unless we give them a Sunni state. Assad, I don't disagree there. It was on the cards that any civil war in Syria would have massive repercussions for Iraq. The rebel forces in Syria, aren't all fundamentalist. It could also take six months to a year for Assad to take back Syria, possibly longer - the capacity of the Syrian Army is very reduced, and its ability and Assads willingness to retake and effectively hold the border areas is limited.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Aug 14 7.38pm | |
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I'm surprised by all the calls to wipe them out. I would ask exactly who would you wipe out? People in these situations, when confronted by a force with overwhelming firepower, simply fade away and are driven underground. They begin using guerilla tactics and organising and funding themselves as an Islamic terrorist organisation. Before you know it the problem has spread worldwide to every city/airport/train station/school/university - you get the picture. I thought that is whats been happening. In a way it is except ISIS have just carved out their own territory without any agreement and our huge force is not much more than 1 or 2 squadrons of aircraft and part of a naval task force along with some American Special Advisers. The Kurds are pretty much looking after their own defence and are really being let down by not being reinforced. Truth be told, I wonder whether Western advisers really want a Kurdish state? It never seemed high on the agenda before. Looks like they are getting one the hard way at present.
That couldn't possibly go wrong... The Kurds won't surrender Mosul either, they've been claiming that since the liberation. Assads troops aren't anywhere near the border region and are too engaged in the civil war against rebels (of which Isis are a single faction).
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