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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 1.55pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

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Still waiting on the evidence!?!?!?

Oh I actually didn't think you'd choose this tack.

You're in denial or just don't care. Maybe it's both.

The evidence is there and in bundles all related in lawyer documents on what went on after democracy. What was state controlled was given over in huge corrupt deals to the 'chosen'. It's a shame that anyone who tries to expose anything important in Russia is murdered or framed and jailed......Your boss is in Putin's back pocket....But you be in denial all you want. It seems that all that matters to you is your silly football club.

You're maybe not a rational person to debate with, but then again you proved that when you created this thread.

Still, I wanted to answer your bragging about Chelsea. A club that, outside of its own fans, no one with any ethics really respects anymore....Unless they are ignorant of course.


What lawyers documents?? What evidence against Abromovich. All you brand about is allegations and assumptions. Bloody hell maybe you should live in that country because over here you need EVIDENCE to convict someone. If you can produce a shred of evidence about Abromovich instead of ineuendos and assumptions I'll gladly listen!
Is it not irrational to just assume someone is guilty of something because of where they came from or made their money without one shred of evidence.

You claim I am not rational because I dont accept your flawed arguement. And then you finish your rational behaviour with insults. Now thats funny!!!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Feb 13 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 1.55pm

What lawyers documents?? What evidence against Abromovich. All you brand about is allegations and assumptions. Bloody hell maybe you should live in that country because over here you need EVIDENCE to convict someone. If you can produce a shred of evidence about Abromovich instead of ineuendos and assumptions I'll gladly listen!
Is it not irrational to just assume someone is guilty of something because of where they came from or made their money without one shred of evidence.

You claim I am not rational because I dont accept your flawed arguement. And then you finish your rational behaviour with insults. Now thats funny!!!


Well, there isn't 'evidence' that Putin is a criminal. But you're just in denial or a fool if you didn't think it.

The evidence of brides is out there. There are a brave few who voice the crimes that go on in Russia by the men in power and control. However, how can it be 'proven' when we exist outside of the jurisdiction that controls the evidence? It's a stupid thing to even say. Anyway anyone who looks into Abramovich's career would have to be a loon not to recognise how he rose to power. You very obviously don't understand how Russia works.

This idea that Abramovich and Chelsea's money aren't dirty. Hell, people are murdered in the 'mafia state' for even revealing evidence....They even come over here and murder their opponents by sticking radiation in their tea.

Abramovich bribed he's way through the system in Russia. He was given control of resources that were the Russian people's not his. Like many who paid for that.

I said earlier that loads of Chelsea fans bend over for Abramovich. In my opinion you have identified yourself as one of them.


 


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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 2.27pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

Well, there isn't 'evidence' that Putin is a criminal. But you're just in denial or a fool if you didn't think it.

The evidence of brides is out there. There are a brave few who voice the crimes that go on in Russia by the men in power and control. However, how can it be 'proven' when we exist outside of the jurisdiction that controls the evidence? It's a stupid thing to even say. Anyway anyone who looks into Abramovich's career would have to be a loon not to recognise how he rose to power. You very obviously don't understand how Russia works.

This idea that Abramovich and Chelsea's money aren't dirty. Hell, people are murdered in the 'mafia state' for even revealing evidence....They even come over here and murder their opponents by sticking radiation in their tea.

Abramovich bribed he's way through the system in Russia. He was given control of resources that were the Russian people's not his. Like many who paid for that.

I said earlier that loads of Chelsea fans bend over for Abramovich. In my opinion you have identified yourself as one of them.



What you are saying is that there is evidence that corruption exists in Russia. Yes agreed there is evidence of that and yes I accept that this is true. However, and i'll say it agian, because you dont seem to understand the basic principles of justice. There is NO evidence that abromovich was part of this. Interestingly you seem to have lost it a bit now.As you have jumped from implying Abromovich is a crook to actually stating this:

'Abramovich bribed he's way through the system in Russia.


Please please give me ONE shred of evidance of this and not some bland generalistic waffle.

However your next sentence is quite interesting:

'He was given control of resources that were the Russian people's not his'

Christ now we are jumping in to new territory. Communism!!! Well if you follow that arguement then we have a lot of business examples in this country where people control our resources. Hmm lets look back at Palace chairman and there business interests

 

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In 2008, The Times reported that Abramovich admitted that he paid billions of dollars for political favours and protection fees to obtain a big share of Russia's oil and aluminium assets as was shown by court papers.

Also the stark evidence is seen in the fact that Abramovich is even 'given' these industries.

Your denial is a denial of the obvious.

What is Abroamovich doing with all this money? It's the Russian people's and any true summary of it knows that it's stolen.

 


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'He was given control of resources that were the Russian people's not his'

Christ now we are jumping in to new territory. Communism!!! Well if you follow that arguement then we have a lot of business examples in this country where people control our resources. Hmm lets look back at Palace chairman and there business interests


That's a straw man argument. I'm not a communist or a socialist. That's trying to move the goalposts.

However I do recognise the injustice in taking an economies assets and giving them to just a few people. Enriching them and reducing the benefits for the overall population.

That hasn't happened in capitalism....We have a little thing you might not have heard of, it's called competition and competition laws.

The transition from communism was completely corrupt. your boss benefited hugely from it. Only the wide eyed supporter like you defends that and can 'make believe' a path where Abramovich isn't corrupt.

Haha, the idea that your Putin supporting boss isn't a crook is something else.

 


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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 2.37pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

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In 2008, The Times reported that Abramovich admitted that he paid billions of dollars for political favours and protection fees to obtain a big share of Russia's oil and aluminium assets as was shown by court papers.

Also the stark evidence is seen in the fact that Abramovich is even 'given' these industries.

Your denial is a denial of the obvious.

What is Abroamovich doing with all this money? It's the Russian people's and any true summary of it knows that it's stolen.


Hold on. You say admitted?? Hmmm ... show me the whole quotes?? Also if he admitted this was he saying HE HAD to pay it as he was under threat?? I dont know but no do you because you still havent provided evidence and you have been searching for hours.....

On a side note, recalling your statement about taken the peoples assets. Did you know one of your co-directors donates to the conservative party?? Now theres an example of a party that 'steals' the countries silver and gives it to its mates. Legally of course!!

 

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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 2.41pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

'However I do recognise the injustice in taking an economies assets and giving them to just a few people. Enriching them and reducing the benefits for the overall population.

That hasn't happened in capitalism....We have a little thing you might not have heard of, it's called competition and competition laws.'


Oh so its ok to do this as long as you do it in this country and not another!! And not happened in Capitalism!!!!
There are no examples of that in the Capitalist world then!! You sure!!! HA HA Blimey careful the water could get murky!!!!!!!!

Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 2.42pm)

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 2.28pm


In 2008, The Times reported that Abramovich admitted that he paid billions of dollars for political favours and protection fees to obtain a big share of Russia's oil and aluminium assets as was shown by court papers.

Also the stark evidence is seen in the fact that Abramovich is even 'given' these industries.

Your denial is a denial of the obvious.

What is Abroamovich doing with all this money? It's the Russian people's and any true summary of it knows that it's stolen.


Hold on. You say admitted?? Hmmm ... show me the whole quotes?? Also if he admitted this was he saying HE HAD to pay it as he was under threat?? I dont know but no do you because you still havent provided evidence and you have been searching for hours.....

On a side note, recalling your statement about taken the peoples assets. Did you know one of your co-directors donates to the conservative party?? Now theres an example of a party that 'steals' the countries silver and gives it to its mates. Legally of course!!


Anyone reading this can see the truth. You are exposed by your own silly words.

Keep bending over for your corrupt chairman, but don't try to tell me that it's any different.

Are you accusing the conservative party of stealing taxpayer's money?

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 2.42pm

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 2.37pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 2.28pm


In 2008, The Times reported that Abramovich admitted that he paid billions of dollars for political favours and protection fees to obtain a big share of Russia's oil and aluminium assets as was shown by court papers.

Also the stark evidence is seen in the fact that Abramovich is even 'given' these industries.

Your denial is a denial of the obvious.

What is Abroamovich doing with all this money? It's the Russian people's and any true summary of it knows that it's stolen.


Hold on. You say admitted?? Hmmm ... show me the whole quotes?? Also if he admitted this was he saying HE HAD to pay it as he was under threat?? I dont know but no do you because you still havent provided evidence and you have been searching for hours.....

On a side note, recalling your statement about taken the peoples assets. Did you know one of your co-directors donates to the conservative party?? Now theres an example of a party that 'steals' the countries silver and gives it to its mates. Legally of course!!


Anyone reading this can see the truth. You are exposed by your own silly words.

Keep bending over for your corrupt chairman, but don't try to tell me that it's any different.

Are you accusing the conservative party of stealing taxpayer's money?


Hmmm stealing is a big word but you do seem to be losing it. Ok I think one example will do although I wouldnt LEGALLY call it stealing. Its just called privatisation where you give the private sector a business below the market value and then sit back whist your mates (which often included party members and cabinet ministers) made a 'killing' on the stock market. Seeing as you like research. Look up the sale of BT!!

 

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Oh so its ok to do this as long as you do it in this country and not another!! And not happened in Capitalism!!!!
There are no examples of that in the Capitalist world then!! You sure!!! HA HA Blimey careful the water could get murky!!!!!!!!

Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 2.42pm)

Of course there is corruption in the West. We have Lybor, we have the banking crises. Though to be frank I can't think of many instances where anything like that amount of money was just given to a few corrupt individuals.

Your club is funded from injustice. Like I said at the beginning. You don't like it, but it's the truth.

We have laws. We aren't perfect by a long shot but compared to your Russian, we might as well be.

 


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Hmmm stealing is a big word but you do seem to be losing it. Ok I think one example will do although I wouldnt LEGALLY call it stealing. Its just called privatisation where you give the private sector a business below the market value and then sit back whist your mates (which often included party members and cabinet ministers) made a 'killing' on the stock market. Seeing as you like research. Look up the sale of BT!!


It's absurd to compare the poor privatizations of industries in Britain......Which I grant you hasn't been great in some areas to the corruption and injustice of what happened in Russia.

You are just deflecting, pure and simple.

 


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Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 2.41pm

Oh so its ok to do this as long as you do it in this country and not another!! And not happened in Capitalism!!!!
There are no examples of that in the Capitalist world then!! You sure!!! HA HA Blimey careful the water could get murky!!!!!!!!

Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 2.42pm)

Of course there is corruption in the West. We have Lybor, we have the banking crises. Though to be frank I can't think of many instances where anything like that amount of money was just given to a few corrupt individuals.

Your club is funded from injustice. Like I said at the beginning. You don't like it, but it's the truth.

We have laws. We aren't perfect by a long shot but compared to your Russian, we might as well be.


And I never said we were or said Russia was better. Was just exposing the flaws in your arguement.

Anyway its been fun!!! I wanted to get to 10 000 views and 500 replies but it doesnt look like I will!!

Anyone else want to 'come and have a go' LOL


PS It was 5-1 you know!!!

 

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