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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 6.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trump's sins go much, much further than just being a serial liar. There is just no comparison with Biden, or indeed, any other President. Trump is a standalone candidate for worst ever. No-one gets within a country mile. As I said before, Mickey Mouse would be a better option than Trump. Biden at least has chosen a team, and listens to them. We no longer have a narcissistic, ill-informed, impetuous and dangerous man making policy on the hoof, just because he believes he knows best about everything.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 6.46pm | |
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Why would you think a syndicated opinion piece from a Trump supporter worth referencing, let alone trustworthy? This is just another piece of the propaganda jigsaw I have been suggesting exists, so actually evidence for my claims.
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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 21 7.03pm | |
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It would be a first for a female to be president and a black lady to boot. I say bring it on. She has the best attributes I can think of, namely that I fancy her. Nobody has ever succeeded as VP, its best to hide I think.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 7.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why would you think a syndicated opinion piece from a Trump supporter worth referencing, let alone trustworthy? This is just another piece of the propaganda jigsaw I have been suggesting exists, so actually evidence for my claims. For the same reason I would pay attention to a poster on a football site. Not much point in only paying attention to those with whose opinion you agree.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
For the same reason I would pay attention to a poster on a football site. Not much point in only paying attention to those with whose opinion you agree. So you don't agree with the author of this blatant hatchet job? Interesting. I always knew you were a class above the despicables here, Teddy.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 7.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So you don't agree with the author of this blatant hatchet job? Interesting. I always knew you were a class above the despicables here, Teddy. I don't generally agree with much in politics; with a few exceptions politicians are a fairly reprehensible bunch who have created far too much misery and usually escape the consequences of their actions.
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 8.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You have frequently made this assertion, without ever providing the slightest amount of evidence. That, sir, is libel. I offer opinions, that you disagree with. That's not lying. It's disagreeing. Why do I still bang on about Trump? Only because others seek to try to suggest that Biden is no better than Trump was, in an effort to establish equivalence. That matters, for whether he stands, or merely endorses someone else, Trump's reputation needs to be judged for what it really was, and not whitewashed. You may wish to bury that and concentrate on throwing mud at someone who you don't like. Not me though. I see Trump as a continuing danger both to the USA and the rest of the world. You literally wrote on here once that lying is justified if the end result is what you want.....a literal ends justifies the means argument. It's on Hol. If I were ever in a court over this I'd happily go over all your posts on Hol and point out all the contradictions and inaccuracies. As you aren't thick I don't think I'd have a difficult time making quite a convincing case that you knowingly lie....even without the evidence of the first paragraph.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You literally wrote on here once that lying is justified if the end result is what you want.....a literal ends justifies the means argument. It's on Hol. If I were ever in a court over this I'd happily go over all your posts on Hol and point out all the contradictions and inaccuracies. As you aren't thick I don't think I'd have a difficult time making quite a convincing case that you knowingly lie....even without the evidence of the first paragraph. I don't recall writing that, but can believe I did. I would need to see the context to fully defend it. Politicians sometimes need to stretch the truth when defending the public interest or avoiding compromising security matters. Not everything can be put in the public domain, and it is sometimes necessary to wrong-foot your adversaries. Whatever the context, it is, of course, an opinion and not a lie. Contradictions and inaccuracies aren't, of themselves, lies. Once again, it depends on the context. Something can be true in one, and untrue in another or, more probably, uncertain in both. So in the unlikely event that you could find any, I would be delighted to again explain the difference between lies and opinions. This would never see a Court. Your solicitor would not allow it to get there because there's not a snowball's chance in hell of you ever being able to make any kind of case, let alone a convincing one. You have a huge problem in understanding the difference between opinions and lies, although I fully realise that me telling you won't convince you. You recently quoted Hitchens, who said "that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." You would do well to reflect on that before you make any assertions.
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't recall writing that, but can believe I did. I would need to see the context to fully defend it. Politicians sometimes need to stretch the truth when defending the public interest or avoiding compromising security matters. Not everything can be put in the public domain, and it is sometimes necessary to wrong-foot your adversaries. Whatever the context, it is, of course, an opinion and not a lie. Contradictions and inaccuracies aren't, of themselves, lies. Once again, it depends on the context. Something can be true in one, and untrue in another or, more probably, uncertain in both. So in the unlikely event that you could find any, I would be delighted to again explain the difference between lies and opinions. This would never see a Court. Your solicitor would not allow it to get there because there's not a snowball's chance in hell of you ever being able to make any kind of case, let alone a convincing one. You have a huge problem in understanding the difference between opinions and lies, although I fully realise that me telling you won't convince you. You recently quoted Hitchens, who said "that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." You would do well to reflect on that before you make any assertions. Well, you are a liar and that's my opinion. You can rest assured you wrote the sentiment I stated. Your justifications are also evidence of just what a huge waffle merchant you are.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, you are a liar and that's my opinion. You can rest assured you wrote the sentiment I stated. Your justifications are also evidence of just what a huge waffle merchant you are. Well, I am glad we have finally got an admission that all you are doing is expressing an opinion. One that I believe is completely wrong, and remains totally unsubstantiated, but nonetheless one you are entitled to. That's not in question. It's expressing it here, without any evidence, that is. Sentiments are as clearly opinions as anything I can imagine. It ought never be forgotten, by anyone who posts on social media, or on forums like this, that defamation is a "civil wrong" which can result in a Judge awarding significant damages. As both those who post, and those who host, are potentially in the firing line, it's one of the primary reasons social media platforms have to remove content. Claiming "freedom of speech" is no defence. Robust exchanges of opinions are all fine. Impugning someone's character is not. I don't care a jot what your opinion of me is, but I do care about my character being assassinated. You call it "waffle". I call it reasoning. Different opinions. I prefer to justify my assertions. You just like to assert. Whilst brevity is often a virtue, it can also be a weakness.
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 11.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well, I am glad we have finally got an admission that all you are doing is expressing an opinion. One that I believe is completely wrong, and remains totally unsubstantiated, but nonetheless one you are entitled to. That's not in question. It's expressing it here, without any evidence, that is. Sentiments are as clearly opinions as anything I can imagine. It ought never be forgotten, by anyone who posts on social media, or on forums like this, that defamation is a "civil wrong" which can result in a Judge awarding significant damages. As both those who post, and those who host, are potentially in the firing line, it's one of the primary reasons social media platforms have to remove content. Claiming "freedom of speech" is no defence. Robust exchanges of opinions are all fine. Impugning someone's character is not. I don't care a jot what your opinion of me is, but I do care about my character being assassinated. You call it "waffle". I call it reasoning. Different opinions. I prefer to justify my assertions. You just like to assert. Whilst brevity is often a virtue, it can also be a weakness. If you want to waste your money go ahead.
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 11.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well, I am glad we have finally got an admission that all you are doing is expressing an opinion. One that I believe is completely wrong, and remains totally unsubstantiated, but nonetheless one you are entitled to. That's not in question. It's expressing it here, without any evidence, that is. Sentiments are as clearly opinions as anything I can imagine. It ought never be forgotten, by anyone who posts on social media, or on forums like this, that defamation is a "civil wrong" which can result in a Judge awarding significant damages. As both those who post, and those who host, are potentially in the firing line, it's one of the primary reasons social media platforms have to remove content. Claiming "freedom of speech" is no defence. Robust exchanges of opinions are all fine. Impugning someone's character is not. I don't care a jot what your opinion of me is, but I do care about my character being assassinated. You call it "waffle". I call it reasoning. Different opinions. I prefer to justify my assertions. You just like to assert. Whilst brevity is often a virtue, it can also be a weakness. Are you threatening Hol with a civil court case here?
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