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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Dec 19 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
I think you're probably about right. Absolutely astounded that Boris has managed to fight an entire election campaign avoiding scrutiny and shouting the same 3 word empty statement over and over again and the public just don't seem to care. It doesn't seem like Labour and Lib Dems have managed to swallow enough pride to stand down in seats that had a reasonable chance of keeping the Tory out so bit of a shambles all round really. I would Kevin Keegan love it though if we had a hung parliament and the whole thing has backfired on BJ and his awful cronies. Hung parliament certainly seems a distinct possibility. As for 'Get Brexit Done' – it's simple, it's relevant and it's memorable. It's also more powerful than any other party line. Never mind scrutiny and rigour, even those three words are stretching the intellectual limit of 95% of the population. Play to your audience, be consistent and don't overcomplicate things. Cummings seems to be the only one that recognises this, yet again. People always moan about the dumbing down of politics, at least at a public consumption level, but I never understand why there is surprise. Message must always relate to target audience.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Hung parliament certainly seems a distinct possibility. As for 'Get Brexit Done' – it's simple, it's relevant and it's memorable. It's also more powerful than any other party line. Never mind scrutiny and rigour, even those three words are stretching the intellectual limit of 95% of the population. Play to your audience, be consistent and don't overcomplicate things. Cummings seems to be the only one that recognises this, yet again. People always moan about the dumbing down of politics, at least at a public consumption level, but I never understand why there is surprise. Message must always relate to target audience. I suspect there will be a vesuvian eruption within the Conservative Party and tonsils leaving their moorings if this is the outcome after commanding such a lead.Heads will roll.
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taylors lovechild 11 Dec 19 2.10pm | |
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Nine years of austerity measures that have directly affected friends and family of mine mean that I would never consider voting Tory. Seeing a friend with genuine disabilities having to audition for someone who gets a bonus for every person they get off benefits; seeing my wife going through stage 4 cancer this year and having doctors and nurses on the point of tears in exhaustion; returning to my home city and finding encampments of homeless people up and down the high street; seeing my brother-in-law lose his job because the Tories cut funding for back to work schemes; seeing a close friend spiral into depression due to cuts to the fire service, which included removing the only ladder in his area that could reach the top floor of the local tower blocks; hearing that our friend's autistic child is on the verge of having their special needs school closed due to cuts; my dad having to wait three months to see a specialist about a serious issue... Seriously, I could go on. I genuinely don't understand how you can vote for a party who has done so much harm to the most vulnerable in society and over such a long period? After 9 years what do you think is going to change? I suppose Stewart Lee might have the answer [Link]
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Invalid user 2019 11 Dec 19 2.11pm | |
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UK #GE2019 MRP seat projection: CON: 339 (-20) via @YouGov,
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Invalid user 2019 11 Dec 19 2.12pm | |
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Currently intending to vote Conservative by age group: 18-24: 18% 25-49: 30% 50-64: 47% 65+: 65% YouGov 5-6 Dec #GE2019
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Currently intending to vote Conservative by age group: 18-24: 18% 25-49: 30% 50-64: 47% 65+: 65% YouGov 5-6 Dec #GE2019 The older the wiser.
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Invalid user 2019 11 Dec 19 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The older the wiser. And perhaps it'll keep em honest with regard to investing heavily in the NHS. Gotta keep those old tickers ticking!
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Nine years of austerity measures that have directly affected friends and family of mine mean that I would never consider voting Tory. Seeing a friend with genuine disabilities having to audition for someone who gets a bonus for every person they get off benefits; seeing my wife going through stage 4 cancer this year and having doctors and nurses on the point of tears in exhaustion; returning to my home city and finding encampments of homeless people up and down the high street; seeing my brother-in-law lose his job because the Tories cut funding for back to work schemes; seeing a close friend spiral into depression due to cuts to the fire service, which included removing the only ladder in his area that could reach the top floor of the local tower blocks; hearing that our friend's autistic child is on the verge of having their special needs school closed due to cuts; my dad having to wait three months to see a specialist about a serious issue... Seriously, I could go on. I genuinely don't understand how you can vote for a party who has done so much harm to the most vulnerable in society and over such a long period? After 9 years what do you think is going to change? I suppose Stewart Lee might have the answer [Link] We are in a completely different economic position at the present time. Very difficult decisions had to be made due to the dire financial position the Government was left with by Labour.Responsible Governments make difficult decisions but I am aware of the severe impact it had.Decisions were not taken out of spite but due to economic necessity.Labour with their madcap economic policies do not understand this. With the significant increases in funding for the NHS,schools, public services etc etc etc announced by the Conservatives the bygone days of 'Cuts' are over.This is a new era. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 2.25pm)
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Invalid user 2019 11 Dec 19 2.25pm | |
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This seats changing hands breakdown based on the aforemented YouGov data might prove interesting on the night. If it's majorly off in one direction or another that may offer insights into how things will pan out. In combination with the exit polls of course. Attachment: yougov-model.png (471.28Kb)
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dynamicdick Dormansland 11 Dec 19 2.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am genuinely struggling to remain on civil terms with anybody who wants to ignore the result from June 23rd. It was a perfectly legitimate political stance to believe the UK was better off remaining in the EU prior to June 23rd. And once we have left, then a perfectly legitimate political stance to believe we should rejoin. But to just want the result from June 23rd rendered null and void? That I struggle with on a level that goes beyond the norm. I was more than willing to accept the result and fully expected the same of others. To not be willing to do so makes me question a person's moral compass along with finding myself enraged that they think so little about the value of my right to vote and to have that vote matter. A lot of forgiveness required which can only start to come about once we have left. Agree and to simplify it, what we have been preached since the democratic result is ‘we know better!’
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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 19 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I do not recall ever telling you that you are obnoxious. I have rather a soft spot for you. Which is weird because I disagree with most of your views
Or maybe I just want an excuse to ear the first mince pie.
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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.02pm | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Agree and to simplify it, what we have been preached since the democratic result is ‘we know better!’ I think there is a noisy subset of Remainers who will never accept the result. However the lack of voters going to the Lib Dems the only national Remain party suggests that most Remainers do accept the referendum result otherwise that party would be doing a lot better. I still believe that the "man/person/it on the Clapham Omnibus believes in fairness and abiding by the result even when it goes against them. They are however drowned out by the noisy ones.
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