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 Stirlingsays  31 Mar 19 1.41pm |
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The costs of immigration are much more than just economics. There are several other drastic consequences for the type of society an individual wants. Different people view these differently. However, if you were only to concentrate on the economic....and again ignore the hidden economic impacts like infrastructure and service amongst others then we have already seen how immigration breaks down economically. EU immigration brings in a little than it costs. If people were shocked about that.....then that's their issue. Many people prefer comfortable lies based upon their ideas of the world rather than unpleasant truths. Bad governments have been using the 'ponzi' scheme method of immigration for economics for decades to suit their short term agendas. They don't live with the downsides....that's mostly the less powerful who have to. If governments were actually interested in the national interest then after the ending of freedom of movement they would also take measures on non EU immigration to ensure that it stopped costing more to the country than it benefited......the more intelligent amongst us could work out how that could be achieved. Stop using 'ponzi' scheme population increases as a method of GDP......It's a request that is decades old and it's been from the majority of the UK.....but it continues to be ignored. And we have automation ready to make dramatic inroads into the job markets Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2019 1.53pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 19 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The costs of immigration are much more than just economics. There are several other drastic consequences for the type of society an individual wants. Different people view these differently. However, if you were only to concentrate on the economic....and again ignore the hidden economic impacts like infrastructure and service amongst others then we have already seen how immigration breaks down economically. EU immigration brings in a little than it costs. If people were shocked about that.....then that's their issue. Many people prefer comfortable lies based upon their ideas of the world rather than unpleasant truths. Bad governments have been using the 'ponzi' scheme method of immigration for economics for decades to suit their short term agendas. They don't live with the downsides....that's mostly the less powerful who have to. If governments were actually interested in the national interest then after the ending of freedom of movement they would also take measures on non EU immigration to ensure that it stopped costing more to the country than it benefited......the more intelligent amongst us could work out how that could be achieved. Stop using 'ponzi' scheme population increases as a method of GDP.
It is a perfect example of unsustainable short termism. The people who will pay the biggest price are probably yet to be born.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 19 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is a perfect example of unsustainable short termism. The people who will pay the biggest price are probably yet to be born. Quite.
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| Midlands Eagle 31 Mar 19 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The Japanese car companies are moving out of the country as they have excess capacity back in their Japanese plants and would have gone even if we stayed in the EU and Dyson is moving it's head office administration of two people to the far East to be close to where they see their expansion coming from
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Pussay Patrol  31 Mar 19 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is a perfect example of unsustainable short termism. The people who will pay the biggest price are probably yet to be born. Maybe they'll be unsuccessful people and have nothing to do except post on Internet forums?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 19 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Maybe they'll be unsuccessful people and have nothing to do except post on Internet forums? There's no need to put yourself down.
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| Pussay Patrol 31 Mar 19 2.24pm |
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Leavers argue on one post how employment figures is good news to which immigration is a big factor then argue later how immigration is bad Cognitive dissonance
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Mar 19 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Maybe they'll be unsuccessful people and have nothing to do except post on Internet forums? What are you up to at the moment?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Mar 19 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Leavers argue on one post how employment figures is good news to which immigration is a big factor then argue later how immigration is bad Cognitive dissonance Do you think there is a limit or do you think we should just continue at the same rate of net immigration?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 19 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Leavers argue on one post how employment figures is good news to which immigration is a big factor then argue later how immigration is bad Cognitive dissonance From the man who says the country is in poverty because of the Tories. Immigration suppresses wages. The numbers of jobs available are not due to immigration policy.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Mar 19 2.42pm |
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I don't know anyone who just says, 'immigration is bad' just because it's immigration. Like everything else, it's a numbers game.....Always was and always has been. These are legacy arguments for me. I come to this purely as a matter of resentment on my part because fools and deliberate idealists have already damaged my country beyond the point of any easy return. I will be angry about this until I breathe my last.....I know what discord and pain these fools have stored up for the coming generations. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2019 3.07pm)
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jeeagles  31 Mar 19 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How much does immigration contribute to that? especially freedom of movement? Hmm For low income workers whose job prospects are limited freedom of movement has made it harder to get jobs and pushed house prices up. Particularly when jobs are advertised abroad. It's been good for the consumer, and potentially led to an improved pool of talent for employers, but it's also made it easier to put people on zero hours contracts and push down wages. It just seems some remain voters are completely blind to the downsides of the EU membership.
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