Maybe, maybe not but you might be over estimating the influence of propaganda. Main stream media in America weren’t and aren’t notably pro-Trump but he still won.

I agree, he said he was ashamed of his party too, so not surprising there was a reaction from his local association. And if you feel that strongly resign and stand as an independent.

He did and he continued to put the fear of God into everyone with his doom mongering until a couple of months ago when he changed his mind and appeared to suggest that Brexit wouldn't be so bad after all

You are absolutely correct. The term "project fear" was probably the leave campaigns biggest fib of all.

George Osbourne with his claim he would have to hold an emergency budget immediately after a Leave vote to raise 30bn?. I will give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he genuinely thought the markets and Sterling would crash.

However what I will not forgive him for in his speech was the deliberate targetting of the old, sick and people on benefits. His solution was to make savage cuts in those areas if we voted leave.

Immediately after his speech I was listening to a phone in and the first caller said if he needs to save money:

1) Reduce the foreign aid budge saving 12bn per year
2) Cancel HS2 savings 100bn
3) Cancel trident savings billions.
etc.

That was the real project fear, vote leave and I will hurt those most in need. Disgusting.

One more point

The Leave campaign was not 'illegal'. Certain aspects of certain parts of it were deemed liable for censure but that is the same of almost every election. Bloody hell, the Tories broke almost every law going to ensure that Farage did not win a seat but I don't see too many people asking for that particular election to be run.

I actually wish Remainers would be honest. They simply want to see my vote, along with 17 million plus others, on June 23rd be deemed less worthy than theirs. Actually stop pretending that they believe in the core value of one person, one vote, all being equally weighted. That the result of June 23rd can be just dismissed because they don't like the result.

I might disagree with them, might not wish to socialise with them or even be in the same post code but I can at least have a modicum of respect for their honesty. I would actually prefer A50 to just be revoked rather than go through a farce of a fixed 'peoples vote' BS. If you want to disregard my political views, then spitting in the face is always preferable to a knife in the back. What I loathe is all the virtue signalling around what is, when all is said and done, a blatant disregard for democracy.

Be honest about that. Admit that you are not a believer in democracy. Admit that you think people who are supposedly brighter and more intelligent deserve to have their votes count for more than us plebs. Do us at least that courtesy.

You clearly have no shame around any of this because otherwise even the notion of not honouring the June 23rd result would be abhorrent to you so do us all a favour and be up front. That way, we all know where we stand.

But please. No more masquerading as some kind of paragons of democratic values. We had a vote, with a simple question asked, a promise it would be adhered to and a huge turn-out to take part. Every vote counted. Every vote equally weighted. No ifs or buts around that.

You want that annulled, you are filth in my book. Literally not worth pissing on if you are on fire. But at least have the spine to stand up and be counted. That I can at least offer a nod to in terms of character.

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.