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Maine Eagle USA 30 Mar 19 12.28pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Tommy Robinson is a hero and a patriot. Only the completely ignorant would label him otherwise. Just because somebody voted a way you didn't agree with doesn't make them a bigot. If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 30 Mar 19 12.28pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Tommy Robinson is a hero and a patriot.

Only the completely ignorant would label him otherwise.

Just because somebody voted a way you didn't agree with doesn't make them a bigot.

If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Pussay Patrol 30 Mar 19 12.36pm
I agree with Matov 100% Therefore we need a 2nd vote Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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30 Mar 19 12.36pm

I agree with Matov 100%

Therefore we need a 2nd vote

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 19 12.38pm
Originally posted by Matov But Parliament decided, by a huge majority, to hand over the decision on this specific issue to the public. And then, over 80% of MP's stood on manifestos promising to honour that vote. There is no changing minds on this one. They gave up that right to do so. When I voted on June 23rd I did so in full compliance with all the rules and regulations pertaining to such matters. On do you think that voting is nothing more than 'mob rule'? Do you not feel any shame whatsoever in cheering on what has been an absolute betrayal of the democractic process? And do you not harbour even the slightest of fears that if the votes of over 17 million can be willfully ignored, that perhaps one day, your vote might not mean very much either? For me this issue is rapidly moving beyond Brexit, good or bad and actually becoming one of an absolute shift in what our right to vote, and have that vote count, actually means. I voted in absolute good faith on June 23rd. Does the fact that I believe my good faith was now utterly wasted not trouble you in the slightest? I was bought up to beleive that it was of the utmost importance to vote, no matter what. And that you had to accept the outcome. Am I a moron for believing that? Edited by Matov (30 Mar 2019 11.53am) People are raised very differently and led to believe they’re more interesting, important, and bigger than they are. Nothing has changed apart from in the heads of some of the public. The levels of delusion you experience just leaving the house never fail to stagger me. It can be the first expensive car owned on tic by someone who’d otherwise be driving a very old car yet they think they own the road or have some imaginary status. Don’t get me started on some women out in public. They’re getting progressively worse and putting these delusions into the heads of their children. Just look at the reality tv celebrities and their tv series on them raising their children. Just fvck off. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by Matov

But Parliament decided, by a huge majority, to hand over the decision on this specific issue to the public. And then, over 80% of MP's stood on manifestos promising to honour that vote.

There is no changing minds on this one. They gave up that right to do so.

When I voted on June 23rd I did so in full compliance with all the rules and regulations pertaining to such matters.

On do you think that voting is nothing more than 'mob rule'?

Do you not feel any shame whatsoever in cheering on what has been an absolute betrayal of the democractic process? And do you not harbour even the slightest of fears that if the votes of over 17 million can be willfully ignored, that perhaps one day, your vote might not mean very much either?

For me this issue is rapidly moving beyond Brexit, good or bad and actually becoming one of an absolute shift in what our right to vote, and have that vote count, actually means.

I voted in absolute good faith on June 23rd. Does the fact that I believe my good faith was now utterly wasted not trouble you in the slightest? I was bought up to beleive that it was of the utmost importance to vote, no matter what. And that you had to accept the outcome. Am I a moron for believing that?

Edited by Matov (30 Mar 2019 11.53am)

People are raised very differently and led to believe they’re more interesting, important, and bigger than they are. Nothing has changed apart from in the heads of some of the public. The levels of delusion you experience just leaving the house never fail to stagger me. It can be the first expensive car owned on tic by someone who’d otherwise be driving a very old car yet they think they own the road or have some imaginary status. Don’t get me started on some women out in public. They’re getting progressively worse and putting these delusions into the heads of their children. Just look at the reality tv celebrities and their tv series on them raising their children. Just fvck off.

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 30 Mar 19 12.39pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I agree with Matov 100% Therefore we need a 2nd vote QED.
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Teddy Eagle

30 Mar 19 12.39pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I agree with Matov 100%

Therefore we need a 2nd vote

QED.

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Stirlingsays 30 Mar 19 12.44pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC. I believe that as well, so you can extend your sympathy to me also. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Mar 19 12.44pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC.

I believe that as well, so you can extend your sympathy to me also.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Mar 19 12.55pm
Dominic Grieve loses vote of no confidence. [Link] I hope this is the first of many as the local parties put to the swords MPs who have betrayed the trust of the local voters. "Former Tory MP Anna Soubry, who defected to join the Independent Group, branded the vote "disgraceful". " Yet when candidates are selected by the same process you don't hear them complaining about that. If local parties can select a candidate who is nailed on to become the MP then they can also take that away from them. Why did Dominic Grieve sign up the the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election and then go all out to defeat Brexit. He did it because if he stood for another party he would be in the dole queue. Very predictably he has said he will continue to serve his constituents (by ignoring their wishes) hopefully at the next GE he can serve them by joining another party which has a pro EU platform. Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 12.56pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 30 Mar 19 12.55pm

Dominic Grieve loses vote of no confidence.

[Link]

I hope this is the first of many as the local parties put to the swords MPs who have betrayed the trust of the local voters.

"Former Tory MP Anna Soubry, who defected to join the Independent Group, branded the vote "disgraceful". " Yet when candidates are selected by the same process you don't hear them complaining about that.

If local parties can select a candidate who is nailed on to become the MP then they can also take that away from them.

Why did Dominic Grieve sign up the the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election and then go all out to defeat Brexit. He did it because if he stood for another party he would be in the dole queue.

Very predictably he has said he will continue to serve his constituents (by ignoring their wishes) hopefully at the next GE he can serve them by joining another party which has a pro EU platform.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 12.56pm)

One more point

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DanH SW2 30 Mar 19 12.56pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC. Definitely more tactful than my approach
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DanH

SW2 30 Mar 19 12.56pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you, ChrisGC.

Definitely more tactful than my approach

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Stirlingsays 30 Mar 19 12.58pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Dominic Grieve loses vote of no confidence. [Link] I hope this is the first of many as the local parties put to the swords MPs who have betrayed the trust of the local voters. "Former Tory MP Anna Soubry, who defected to join the Independent Group, branded the vote "disgraceful". " Yet when candidates are selected by the same process you don't hear them complaining about that. If local parties can select a candidate who is nailed on to become the MP then they can also take that away from them. Why did Dominic Grieve sign up the the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election and then go all out to defeat Brexit. He did it because if he stood for another party he would be in the dole queue. Very predictably he has said he will continue to serve his constituents (by ignoring their wishes) hopefully at the next GE he can serve them by joining another party which has a pro EU platform. Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 12.56pm) Excellent post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Mar 19 12.58pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Dominic Grieve loses vote of no confidence.

[Link]

I hope this is the first of many as the local parties put to the swords MPs who have betrayed the trust of the local voters.

If local parties can select a candidate who is nailed on to become the MP then they can also take that away from them.

Why did Dominic Grieve sign up the the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election and then go all out to defeat Brexit. He did it because if he stood for another party he would be in the dole queue.

Very predictably he has said he will continue to serve his constituents (by ignoring their wishes) hopefully at the next GE he can serve them by joining another party which has a pro EU platform.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 12.56pm)

Excellent post.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Mar 19 1.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Excellent post. But wrong. Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party. A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly. And not your leave/remain tribalism.
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steeleye20

Croydon 30 Mar 19 1.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Excellent post.

But wrong.

Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party.

A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly.

And not your leave/remain tribalism.

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Stirlingsays 30 Mar 19 1.15pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 But wrong. Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party. A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly. And not your leave/remain tribalism. So I take it this means you disavow all MP deselections from the Labour party upon the basis that it wasn't by the voters. An interesting take on the democratic process.....Funny how your level of concern for the democratic process seems purely related to whether you opinion just happens to be supported or not. Didn't approve of the referendum taking place. Thinks the vote to leave should be ignored. Didn't agree with allowing independence for the Basque region after they voted by a majority for it. Your principles in the area of the democratic process seem entirely arbitrary and opportunistic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Mar 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

But wrong.

Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party.

A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly.

And not your leave/remain tribalism.

So I take it this means you disavow all MP deselections from the Labour party upon the basis that it wasn't by the voters.

An interesting take on the democratic process.....Funny how your level of concern for the democratic process seems purely related to whether you opinion just happens to be supported or not.

Didn't approve of the referendum taking place.
Thinks the vote to leave should be ignored.
Didn't agree with allowing independence for the Basque region after they voted by a majority for it.

Your principles in the area of the democratic process seem entirely arbitrary and opportunistic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Mar 19 1.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 But wrong. Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party. A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly. And not your leave/remain tribalism. You are correct that every MP is supposed to represent all of his constituents. However he also has a responsibility to his party. They cannot sack him as an MP but they are perfectly entitled to choose another candidate at the next GE or do we just do away with elections. Beaconsfield voted to leave and he was elected on a pro Brexit manifesto so I think the locals are entitled to express their anger at his voting record. Now if he feels he is representing the people and his local party are not then as I said previously he should join a pro EU party and see how he gets on at the next GE. Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 1.18pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 30 Mar 19 1.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

But wrong.

Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party.

A former minister and articulate man there is no indication that he does not serve his constituents properly.

And not your leave/remain tribalism.

You are correct that every MP is supposed to represent all of his constituents. However he also has a responsibility to his party. They cannot sack him as an MP but they are perfectly entitled to choose another candidate at the next GE or do we just do away with elections.

Beaconsfield voted to leave and he was elected on a pro Brexit manifesto so I think the locals are entitled to express their anger at his voting record.

Now if he feels he is representing the people and his local party are not then as I said previously he should join a pro EU party and see how he gets on at the next GE.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Mar 2019 1.18pm)

One more point

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Midlands Eagle 30 Mar 19 1.24pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party. Legally correct I suppose but his seat was one of the safest Conservative seats in the country and even if the local Conservative party had put Diane Abbot up as a candidate she would have won. OK perhaps I went a bit to far there
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30 Mar 19 1.24pm

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Grieve was elected to serve as an MP by the voters, not the local conservative party.

Legally correct I suppose but his seat was one of the safest Conservative seats in the country and even if the local Conservative party had put Diane Abbot up as a candidate she would have won.

OK perhaps I went a bit to far there

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