Ultimately self acceptance is enlightenment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2019 10.54am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I haven't posted here for weeks but now that the date has passed this needs to be said. The way that the Brexiteers bang on about "democracy" isn't being countered nearly strongly enough. I won't though be drawn into the detail about the process again. I will leave that to the likes of yourself. This is about the underlying principle and, in my opinion, needs to be put out there.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The point is though that a bigger promise has been kept. That is the promise that our MPs, as our representatives, will always use their collective will to do what they believe is in our best interests and not act like sheep and deliver something they believe to be wrong. When trying to balance competing motivations one has to trump another. In this case Parliamentary democracy has trumped a referendum and asserted itself. If they had gone the other way we would indeed have been on the slippery slope towards rule by popular opinion.

This should concern everyone, whatever their personal view is about Brexit. Opening a door to mob rule is not something I believe to be wise.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I agree with this to an extent but unfortunately political expediency can get in the way. If the prospect of party political gains played no part I’d be more comfortable with the concept,

But Parliament decided, by a huge majority, to hand over the decision on this specific issue to the public. And then, over 80% of MP's stood on manifestos promising to honour that vote.

There is no changing minds on this one. They gave up that right to do so.

When I voted on June 23rd I did so in full compliance with all the rules and regulations pertaining to such matters.

On do you think that voting is nothing more than 'mob rule'?

Do you not feel any shame whatsoever in cheering on what has been an absolute betrayal of the democractic process? And do you not harbour even the slightest of fears that if the votes of over 17 million can be willfully ignored, that perhaps one day, your vote might not mean very much either?

For me this issue is rapidly moving beyond Brexit, good or bad and actually becoming one of an absolute shift in what our right to vote, and have that vote count, actually means.

I voted in absolute good faith on June 23rd. Does the fact that I believe my good faith was now utterly wasted not trouble you in the slightest? I was bought up to beleive that it was of the utmost importance to vote, no matter what. And that you had to accept the outcome. Am I a moron for believing that?

Edited by Matov (30 Mar 2019 11.53am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Regardless of her politics that speech stands on its own her main points being:

- The EU could have prevented all of this by being flexible.
- Brexit will cost the German taxpayer billions.
- Brexit will cost German jobs and impact their industry.
- The UK is an ally of Germany and sided with them on majority voting. With the UK gone Germany maybe outvoted by the more fiscally irresponsible countries.

One more point