You do post some really silly things, don't you? Are you having your own competition to try to make each post sillier than the last?

There are many victims of wars. Civilians, certainly, but enlisted men and women are also victims. Neighbouring countries are victims. Economic progress can be a victim. We can all be victims. Truth is always a victim. There is no way this could have been avoided, unless we adopted a policy of appeasement. History teaches that only results in bigger problems later. The reverse is true. We ought to have acted far more decisively far earlier.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

No neo-nazis? Not heard of Azov Battalion?

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In WWII, the Ukranians welcomed the Nazis into their country, as they had been under Soviet rule for years, and thought they might be better off with new rulers. Kind of a "Hobson's Choice" as they were going to be ruled either way. It is thougtht that 1 in 4 Jews were murdered/starved/worked to death in Ukraine.

Arter the war, the Soviets were given Ukraine back, and I imagine the repercussions from the Red Army were similar to their despicable treatment of innocent German and Polish citizens as they marched to Berlin.

I have no doubt that since the 'wall' came down, resentment of the Russians has resurfaced, and probably gained ground.

I'm not suggesting Putin has any reason to invade Ukraine, but a flat denial of neo-nazis being there is plainly incorrect.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Who said there are 'no neo nazis' in Ukraine?

How terrible, best drop some bombs on Ukrainian women and children in 2022 then.

Again, the fundamental fact is that this 'denazification' line is propaganda used by Putin to brutalise a people and invade their nation. That context would appear to be pertinent. When people trot out this 'neo nazi' angle at this time it diminishes the plight that the people of Ukraine are facing right now, which is the entire purpose of it as a strategy.

Edited by BlueJay (22 Mar 2022 11.31pm)

In 2017, the size of the regiment was estimated at more than 2,500 members,[23] but by 2022, it has been estimated to be 900 members.[2]

FromWikipedia and Al Jazeera.

Now look try looking up up Jobbik, Kotleba or National Resistance. Or The Base, which is led from Russia

I guess those nice freedom loving Russians have a lot of ‘liberating’ to do across Europe.

OK, I'll reply to you. The other two who responded didn't understand. And I'm not too sure you do.

The disputed assertation is that Putin invaded to get rid of the neo-nazis. For the last eighteen years, beginning with the Orange Revolution, the Russians and Ukranians have been in dispute. Ten years later, Russia took Crimea. But for some reason, the support for neo-nazis increased in that time. After they annexed two major sea ports, it increases still. And then falls away? You don't suppose that they kept quiet? You know, "Who do you support? Us or Ukraine?". Answer, "Russia!". That is simplistic, but that is what happens when you have opposing factions in your world. It is no secret that right wing politics is alive and kicking in eastern Europe. If you genuinely believe they are Liberal Democrats, you are as very much mistaken. There are many who remember the Holodomor through family related stories. The Nazis were welcomed after that, as they were a broken people at the time. They have more allegience to nazis than Russians.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Whether or not the country is more right wing than other countries is neither here nor there. I am deeply uncomfortable that it accepted Azov into the National Guard. This is what happens when the wolf is at the door. 2,500 people in one regiment is not a threat to Russia however. A sovereign country has a right to self determination and to resolve its own internal issues unless it is a genuine threat to others. Ukraine doesn’t export thousands of terrorists or regularly sponsor incursions into Russia or Belarus. So this is only a smokescreen for an economic and populist motivated invasion.