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orpingtoneagle Orpington 12 Oct 18 2.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger When a particular section of any group act against a population, it is inevitable that resentment will be held against the group from which they come. The 'Irish' were not responsible for terrorism, but at that time, all terrorists active in Britain were Irish. Suspicion and association are inevitable. We now have the same situation with Muslims. It comes down to self-preservation. All? The majority maybe but never all we had atrocities perpetrated by Lybians and Iranians to name but a few. The Russians during the cold war carried out actions that also allegedly led to a loss of life. The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

When a particular section of any group act against a population, it is inevitable that resentment will be held against the group from which they come.

The 'Irish' were not responsible for terrorism, but at that time, all terrorists active in Britain were Irish.
Suspicion and association are inevitable. We now have the same situation with Muslims. It comes down to self-preservation.

All? The majority maybe but never all we had atrocities perpetrated by Lybians and Iranians to name but a few. The Russians during the cold war carried out actions that also allegedly led to a loss of life.

The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 3.06pm
Originally posted by lefty27 None of your links are remotely relevant to the debate. The army are non political. You can’t even be a member of one of the main parties in this country and serve in the army. Members of the. EDL and Britain first etc are not allowed to serve. Tommy Robinson is a political figure. He himself would be unable to serve in the army due to his political views and criminal record. The British army protect Britain and British values. One of those values being respect and tolerance of different religions and cultures. What utter lefty tripe. Where does it say that if you hold Robinson's views that you can't serve in the military? You do realise that the Army is full of right wing and nationalist people....the males in my family have served for generations and a few of them would make me look like a communist. I don't see anything about political parties or criminal records outside of drug supplying or trafficking. [Link] [Link] Just so if anyone reading his post gets the wrong idea about criminal records that isn't an automatic barrier to entry. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 3.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 3.06pm

Originally posted by lefty27

None of your links are remotely relevant to the debate.
The army are non political. You can’t even be a member of one of the main parties in this country and serve in the army.
Members of the. EDL and Britain first etc are not allowed to serve.
Tommy Robinson is a political figure. He himself would be unable to serve in the army due to his political views and criminal record.
The British army protect Britain and British values. One of those values being respect and tolerance of different religions and cultures.

What utter lefty tripe.

Where does it say that if you hold Robinson's views that you can't serve in the military?

You do realise that the Army is full of right wing and nationalist people....the males in my family have served for generations and a few of them would make me look like a communist.

I don't see anything about political parties or criminal records outside of drug supplying or trafficking.

[Link]

Just so if anyone reading his post gets the wrong idea about criminal records that isn't an automatic barrier to entry.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 3.07pm)

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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.10pm
It’s the queens regs sterling. I’m not sure if you can google it. Also pretty sure fraud would bar you from joining the army.
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ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.10pm

It’s the queens regs sterling. I’m not sure if you can google it.
Also pretty sure fraud would bar you from joining the army.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 3.12pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle All? The majority maybe but never all we had atrocities perpetrated by Lybians and Iranians to name but a few. The Russians during the cold war carried out actions that also allegedly led to a loss of life. The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home. We don't have over twenty thousand Iranians or Russians on security watch lists in this country. We don't have the Irish creating parallel societies in this country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 3.12pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home.

We don't have over twenty thousand Iranians or Russians on security watch lists in this country.

We don't have the Irish creating parallel societies in this country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 3.13pm
Originally posted by lefty27 It’s the queens regs sterling. I’m not sure if you can google it. Also pretty sure fraud would bar you from joining the army. I've just given you the links. What you said was utter rubbish.....and potentially harmful for anyone with a conviction who was thinking of it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 3.13pm

Originally posted by lefty27

It’s the queens regs sterling. I’m not sure if you can google it.
Also pretty sure fraud would bar you from joining the army.

I've just given you the links.

What you said was utter rubbish.....and potentially harmful for anyone with a conviction who was thinking of it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've just given you the links. What you said was utter rubbish.....and potentially harmful for anyone with a conviction who was thinking of it. Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance.
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ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've just given you the links.

What you said was utter rubbish.....and potentially harmful for anyone with a conviction who was thinking of it.

Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Oct 18 3.40pm
Originally posted by lefty27 Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance. How many would be recruits 15-18yo have 'Fraud' convictions? Try living in the real world. Ffs This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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Originally posted by lefty27

Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance.

How many would be recruits 15-18yo have 'Fraud' convictions? Try living in the real world. Ffs

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 3.45pm
Originally posted by lefty27 Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance. What? You were the one talking bulls***e with no evidence for it....talking about political parties, opinions and convictions barring entry when that's rubbish. So how is not mentioning something a bar to entry...You started this out talking out of your backside and you're just continuing. I said nothing about fraud, and there's nothing I've found other than drug convictions. I have no doubt that the Army can decide on what they have in front of them. I stated that for the everyday convictions there's no barr. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 3.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 3.45pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Links? So not first hand knowledge then. You potentially are giving people false hope. Fraud conviction = no chance.

What?

You were the one talking bulls***e with no evidence for it....talking about political parties, opinions and convictions barring entry when that's rubbish.

So how is not mentioning something a bar to entry...You started this out talking out of your backside and you're just continuing.

I said nothing about fraud, and there's nothing I've found other than drug convictions. I have no doubt that the Army can decide on what they have in front of them. I stated that for the everyday convictions there's no barr.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 3.48pm)

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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.58pm
You are talking utter nonsense Stirling. Posting garbage links to back up your argument. Download an application form or visit a careers office. Most criminal convictions will bar entry. Membership of certain groups will bar entry. Similar to teaching really or the police or indeed most professsions.
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ipswich 12 Oct 18 3.58pm

You are talking utter nonsense Stirling. Posting garbage links to back up your argument.
Download an application form or visit a careers office. Most criminal convictions will bar entry. Membership of certain groups will bar entry.
Similar to teaching really or the police or indeed most professsions.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 4.11pm
Originally posted by lefty27 You are talking utter nonsense Stirling. Posting garbage links to back up your argument. Download an application form or visit a careers office. Most criminal convictions will bar entry. Membership of certain groups will bar entry. Similar to teaching really or the police or indeed most professsions. Here's the MoD's Army website. [Link] Here is the page for the basic entry requirements for joining. [Link] Find for me these disbarring parts where your opinions, ordinary convictions or being a member of a legal political party bar entry. Because I couldn't find anything......that's because it isn't there. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 4.11pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Here's the MoD's Army website.

[Link]

Here is the page for the basic entry requirements for joining.

[Link]

Find for me these disbarring parts where your opinions, ordinary convictions or being a member of a legal political party bar entry.

Because I couldn't find anything......that's because it isn't there.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Oct 18 4.18pm
Originally posted by lefty27 You are talking utter nonsense Stirling. Posting garbage links to back up your argument. Download an application form or visit a careers office. Most criminal convictions will bar entry. Membership of certain groups will bar entry. Similar to teaching really or the police or indeed most professsions. Q? . . . Have YOU ever served? This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Oct 18 4.18pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Q? . . .

Have YOU ever served?

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 4.31pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Q? . . . Have YOU ever served? Yes
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Originally posted by eagleman13

Q? . . .

Have YOU ever served?

Yes

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