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 Kermit8  Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Your question to which I answered referred to 70 years of peace in Europe. My answer is Nato and if you like more specifically article 5. Strange then that Nato members Greece and Turkey have been involved in various clashes against each other since joining and we had a few gunboat problems with fellow Nato member Iceland back in the 70's. Land issues the former and fishing rights the latter.
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DivingIsNotGood  se25 12 Jun 16 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What's the problem with 1m higher level Turkish being able to visit Britain without a visa? They won't all be booking the same flight or knocking at your door the following morning. They'll be spending their dosh here too. You dont get it! Stepping stones, that's how it works!
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| legaleagle 12 Jun 16 7.04pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
So we'd stop trading with the EU? No. 3/10. Must try harder. It's more scaremongering bollocks. Resits for you, I fear Cucking. Would our trading with Europe likely be on somewhat less advantageous terms if we wouldn't sign up for freedom of movement? Sure thing. Peace within Europe. NATO? No,guv,it was places somewhat closer to home rather than than fighting the "red peril" (NATO) that stopped France and Germany etc kicking off at each other every generation,and the magnet of EU membership which helped stopped/stops the Balkan crazies in former Yugoslavia from kicking off again. Human Rights? You ever been to certain eastern European and Balkan countries and seen precisely how it was that the carrot of EU membership helped these improve in a very meaningful way? Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2016 7.05pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 16 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Ok. I get it,if something doesn't accords with your particular narrow world view,its rubbish which has nothing to do with why many (not all) favour Brexit (and why that's a bad idea). And my connection was to silly nationalisms and its present day manifestations rather than to football specifically. What's laughable to me are those who trot out cliches repeatedly but are so unaware of it they lay into anyone else by suggesting they are doing that, rather than actually dealing with the underlying points...ho hum. Actually arguably the worst "football hooliganism" I ever experienced was at the time of the Tory Heath government 1970-74.But for anyone to link it with any party government is simply inane,no?...
The one that says there is no other way forward other than to stay in the EU. And to link football hooligans with politics is insane no? Your arguments work just as well in reverse.
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| chris123 hove actually 12 Jun 16 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Strange then that Nato members Greece and Turkey have been involved in various clashes against each other since joining and we had a few gunboat problems with fellow Nato member Iceland back in the 70's. Land issues the former and fishing rights the latter. Well nobody invoked article 5.
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| legaleagle 12 Jun 16 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The one that says there is no other way forward other than to stay in the EU. And to link football hooligans with politics is insane no? Your arguments work just as well in reverse. I appreciate you think my view is narrow my old china Linking football hooliganism to party politics (as you just did) is indeed insane...linking it on an international level to manifestations of nationalism,is perhaps somewhat more sane. Its not so much about the best way forward for me.Rather,that Brexit is so manifestly an actual step backwards...
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| Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
So we'd stop trading with the EU? No. 3/10. Must try harder. It's more scaremongering bollocks. "would have happened anyway" is a tad lazy Funty as is the rest of your post. Not like you at all. 3/10 to you too.
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 12 Jun 16 7.15pm |
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If you look at The Study Portal there are lists of all the EU universities that have free degree courses for non-EU students. The EU even pays for distance learning degree courses for non-EU students who are still living in non-EU countries. Most courses are taught in a European language and there are language courses available to prepare non-EU students for the degree courses. Surely this raises expectations of being able to immigrate into the EU. Yet at the same time the EU is spending over 6 billion Euros try to reduce immigration from Africa and the Middle East. In the meantime white working class kids in the UK are more likely to be abducted by aliens than get into university.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 16 7.28pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
I appreciate you think my view is narrow my old china Linking football hooliganism to party politics (as you just did) is indeed insane...linking it on an international level to manifestations of nationalism,is perhaps somewhat more sane. Its not so much about the best way forward for me.Rather,that Brexit is so manifestly an actual step backwards...
No and no. Football hooliganism is a social problem. The fact that a few football yobbos support right wing organisations is hardly surprising and from what I have observed the loony lefty are just as obnoxious. The road forward is not always linear. Some roads are a cul de sac and the EU looks like the end of the road for our Independence to me.
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| davenotamonkey 12 Jun 16 7.36pm |
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See also: It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.52pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
See also: It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material. Thanks for that. I stopped reading after the fourth of fifth paragraph from that Lilico chap. Brexit and his "Could be..." "likely.." "Ifs.." and "were to..." were just the concrete assurances the undecided must be looking for. You'll have them signed up for Leave in no time.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 16 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
See also: It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material. From the first link “OK, but what about non-tariff barriers?”, I hear you cry. I didn't cry this so the bloke is obviously wrong
EDIT: Just checked out the author Andrew Lilico, who is somewhat discredited here. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (12 Jun 2016 8.36pm)
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