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 Stirlingsays  29 Mar 19 3.04pm |
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If the Tories choose Johnson as leader then Corbyn is toast. It really is all about who the Tories choose. May is the most ineffective leader out there and Labour still are neck and neck in the polls with her.
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| Maine Eagle USA 29 Mar 19 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
So we leaving on the 12th of April by the looks of it with no deal on the table looking likely. For my money its all talk. Only a small minority want a no deal brexit. Parliament wont sanction it. Tusk indicated a long extension was doable, if a new way forward is planned - such as a general election or second referendum. Smart money at this stage is on a long extension and us putting candidates forward for the European elections. Crazy times.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by blackheatheagle
It seems obvious and both side will most likely agree that EU`s decision or actions below (which was voted by UK officials) is not granted by UK citizens mostly who are impacted from these decisions. 1) 2004 expansion (which i clearly remember that i was surprised about it) These decisions and actions were binding the governments to offer new opportunities or standards to their own citizens (within or out of UK) but seems like it was missed and i am not confident that EU membership is a key barrier for this failure. My view is that as i position governments to be primary responsible of these side affects, they are supposed to address this. Thus, i personally don`t see EU as a primary reason of these negative impacts because UK governments: - Voted for 2 strategies above 15 years data for 3 different phases is enough to be a bit pessimistic to expect them to address these issues even if there is Brexit or no Brexit. Edited by blackheatheagle (29 Mar 2019 2.59pm) This in bold is where this union is heading and nothing like what was being discussed in the early ‘90s. It was the opportunity to move and work elsewhere, not having to.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 19 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
I agree with all of this,May may as well turn off the lights in Downing street and leave quietly. General election is surely just around the corner. And we could end up exactly as at present with a hung and split Parliament.And so the 'Soap opera' will go on and on and on.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 19 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
For my money its all talk. Only a small minority want a no deal brexit. Parliament wont sanction it. Tusk indicated a long extension was doable, if a new way forward is planned - such as a general election or second referendum. Smart money at this stage is on a long extension and us putting candidates forward for the European elections. Crazy times. You keep saying that 'Parliament won't sanction it'. The vote for keeping the 'no deal' on the table came closest of all the votes on Brexit to be rejected.....losing by 4 votes. The reality is that if the EU keep to their word we will leave anyway.....you know....because apparently they hold all the cards as the remainers tell us. So if Parliament can't decide on any path let the EU be the ones to wave goodbye.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Mar 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
For my money its all talk. Only a small minority want a no deal brexit. Parliament wont sanction it. Tusk indicated a long extension was doable, if a new way forward is planned - such as a general election or second referendum. Smart money at this stage is on a long extension and us putting candidates forward for the European elections. Crazy times. 6 millions want to revoke that is really the only thing the UK can do on its own. Otherwise just post the keys to the EU, not that they wanted any of this.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 19 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
And we could end up exactly as at present with a hung and split Parliament.And so the 'Soap opera' will go on and on and on. Not with Johnson.....he would get a lot of the non political to vote for him. He'll crack a few jokes, do the crazy hair stuff and you'll have yourself a majority and then perhaps real Brexit.
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| Maine Eagle USA 29 Mar 19 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If the Tories choose Johnson as leader then Corbyn is toast. It really is all about who the Tories choose. May is the most ineffective leader out there and Labour still are neck and neck in the polls with her. I am not sure if he has enough support amongst the non hard line brexiteers in the ERG and the like. Gove is more likely, or Javid or maybe Hunt. May has ballsed up every single step of this thing. I still think she might come out as a double agent, Snape style, in years to come as she seems hell bent on not getting her deal or herself actually popular enough to curry favour. It almost seems deliberate, that is how ill conceived and poorly executed her entire strategy has been.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
6 millions want to revoke that is really the only thing the UK can do on its own. Otherwise just post the keys to the EU, not that they wanted any of this. Because a sixth of the number who voted want it? Yeah right.
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| DanH SW2 29 Mar 19 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You keep saying that 'Parliament won't sanction it'. The vote for keeping the 'no deal' on the table came closest of all the votes on Brexit to be rejected.....losing by 4 votes. The reality is that if the EU keep to their word we will leave anyway.....you know....because apparently they hold all the cards as the remainers tell us. So if Parliament can't decide on any path let the EU be the ones to wave goodbye. That was just to keep it on the table for negotiations. Only 100 voted for it in the indicative vote as an actual outcome.
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| Maine Eagle USA 29 Mar 19 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You keep saying that 'Parliament won't sanction it'. The vote for keeping the 'no deal' on the table came closest of all the votes on Brexit to be rejected.....losing by 4 votes. The reality is that if the EU keep to their word we will leave anyway.....you know....because apparently they hold all the cards as the remainers tell us. So if Parliament can't decide on any path let the EU be the ones to wave goodbye. It is seen by most as a bargaining chip only.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 19 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I am not sure if he has enough support amongst the non hard line brexiteers in the ERG and the like. Gove is more likely, or Javid or maybe Hunt. May has ballsed up every single step of this thing. I still think she might come out as a double agent, Snape style, in years to come as she seems hell bent on not getting her deal or herself actually popular enough to curry favour. It almost seems deliberate, that is how ill conceived and poorly executed her entire strategy has been. You might be on the opposite political fence from me but you really summed it up well. Whether it's in the left or right parties.....the real hatred is reserved for the in-fighting. All counter productive of course and it means both parties rarely get their most effective leaders.....but then again...it's also much more fun.
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