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eaglesdare 19 Aug 23 11.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Biden may not be to your liking but to suggest Trump would be better is a demonstration of a complete loss of basic values, decency and common sense. We are talking about the man who tried, in the 21st century in the worlds largest democracy, to overturn an election. That alone is enough for him to never again be allowed anywhere near the White House but there are many other reasons as well. By all means criticise the current President and the administration he heads but be real about who would be a better replacement. In my opinion anyone is better than sleepy Joe. And that includes having trump back. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. I don't care either way. Edited by eaglesdare (19 Aug 2023 11.44pm)
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Teddy Eagle 19 Aug 23 11.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That it is considered necessary to try to defend the activities of Dr John Campbell is, of itself, revealing. Especially when many of the claims are not disputed at all. It is accepted he had a respectable career in nursing where he learned the communication and teaching skills he is employing now. It is also accepted that at the start of the pandemic he was trying to genuinely help and inform people about a new and worrying disease, utilising his skills and avuncular manner to reassure. He himself was vaccinated. So far, so good. Having built up a following he realised that he had stumbled upon something that was beginning to make serious money. He also realised that it was the sceptics who were becoming the dominant users of his videos. The more critical he became, the more users he got. His videos went from being informative to being misinformative. You don’t need to take my word for that. There are enough debunking exposures by people with genuine qualifications in the field to make that an established fact. Remember John Campbell is a Doctor of Nursing Education. Not a specialist in virology or any other medical science. His skill is in presentation. These days his very clever videos are inevitably full of things that hint at providing support for the ideas held by the anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti-pharma bunch of sceptics who think the WHO and governments around the world are conspiring to keep information from us. Watch them if you must and you will indeed see the dog whistles on his face in the corner. He cannot believe these things himself. He is clearly a clever man, as well as being a highly skilled presenter. That relaxed style is no accident. It’s designed to give you reassurance and confidence. He has though gone to the dark side as he realised his audience wanted a particular type of content. That’s where the money is. It’s no longer in providing reassurance. We all know much more now and have experience and the vaccines as our reassurance. It’s the sceptics who need their red meat. I would love to see him being grilled over some of his videos by a panel of real experts and being forced to have to defend them and his motivations for making them. Maybe then those who seem to think all of the above are lies will at long last themselves be forced to accept they are wrong. And what should they do if they do admit they were wrong?
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Mattconrov 19 Aug 23 11.51pm | |
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Edit Edited by Mattconrov (20 Aug 2023 12.03am)
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Stirlingsays 20 Aug 23 12.11am | |
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It's how the government admits that the lockdown critics and the Great Barrington Declaration were right all along without publicly stating it and declaring that it spunked a generational amount of money for next to no better result than Sweden. Common sense comes only after the cost of fear becomes unmanageable. Targeted resources were screamingly obvious and were actual written down pandemic policy but the fear mongers had to have their way. What was done was unforgiveable and so I doubt anyone will be held to account - just as with the grooming gangs.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Aug 23 7.31am | |
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I posted these comments below just now in the Sadiq Khan thread. But I thought it relevant here, as people might get an understanding of why critics of Coronovirus policy might not have garnered as much publicity as those promoting it. It's all about the funding. "Sadiq Khan’s office tried to discredit and “silence” scientists who found that his ultra-low emissions zone (Ulez) policy had little impact on pollution, The Telegraph can disclose. In private emails seen by The Telegraph, Shirley Rodrigues, the London Mayor’s deputy for environment and energy, told Prof Frank Kelly she was “really disappointed” that Imperial College had publicised findings questioning the effectiveness of Ulez. Prof Kelly, a director of Imperial’s Environmental Research Group, which has been paid more than £800,000 by Mr Khan’s office since 2021, agreed to issue a statement – partly written by Ms Rodrigues – saying Ulez had helped to “dramatically reduce air pollution”. London Conservatives said the correspondence revealed an “alarmingly cosy relationship” between the Mayor’s office and the scientists it was funding, as well as a desire to “silence scientists who question the effectiveness of Khan’s policies”."
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 23 9.47am | |
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Why do you think that article links to your question? II read it and there is no suggestion that anything done in the past was wrong! All it talks about it was is proposed in the future. A future which involves a different set of circumstances. Questions are being raised about the wisdom of the decision, which feels to me to be, at least partly, based on financial considerations. However, we are no longer at the start of a pandemic when mass vaccination was considered necessary so the context of the decision is entirely different. No connection at all. What should others do when it’s obvious they have been wrong all along? Learn from their mistake and stop misleading others. If they choose to save face and do it quietly that’s up to them. The important thing is that they do it, so people aren’t misled and possibly harmed.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 23 10.03am | |
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So along with the misinforming Campbell continuing to be held up as a source of information we once again see a claim that the debunked and discredited Great Barrington Declaration was right all along and that the Government announcing its vaccination policy this winter is an admission of this. How far can credulity be stretched without it being so thin that even the most ardent conspiracy theorist cannot see through it? We have declared the pandemic over. Something I am a little wary of myself, but I am not in possession of all the data. Deciding what the appropriate strategy is at any point of time depends on the circumstances at that time. It’s not set in stone. What was required 2 years ago may not be now. Anyone drawing any conclusions from this decision to try to justify their own belief in an idea widely rejected by a consensus of experts in the field, once again referencing what was attempted in another country with entirely different circumstances, is only fooling themselves.
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Stirlingsays 20 Aug 23 10.58am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I posted these comments below just now in the Sadiq Khan thread. But I thought it relevant here, as people might get an understanding of why critics of Coronovirus policy might not have garnered as much publicity as those promoting it. It's all about the funding. "Sadiq Khan’s office tried to discredit and “silence” scientists who found that his ultra-low emissions zone (Ulez) policy had little impact on pollution, The Telegraph can disclose. In private emails seen by The Telegraph, Shirley Rodrigues, the London Mayor’s deputy for environment and energy, told Prof Frank Kelly she was “really disappointed” that Imperial College had publicised findings questioning the effectiveness of Ulez. Prof Kelly, a director of Imperial’s Environmental Research Group, which has been paid more than £800,000 by Mr Khan’s office since 2021, agreed to issue a statement – partly written by Ms Rodrigues – saying Ulez had helped to “dramatically reduce air pollution”. London Conservatives said the correspondence revealed an “alarmingly cosy relationship” between the Mayor’s office and the scientists it was funding, as well as a desire to “silence scientists who question the effectiveness of Khan’s policies”." In a country that wasn't betrayed by those who can never be trusted Khan would never have secured even a sniff at power.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Aug 23 12.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why do you think that article links to your question? II read it and there is no suggestion that anything done in the past was wrong! All it talks about it was is proposed in the future. A future which involves a different set of circumstances. Questions are being raised about the wisdom of the decision, which feels to me to be, at least partly, based on financial considerations. However, we are no longer at the start of a pandemic when mass vaccination was considered necessary so the context of the decision is entirely different. No connection at all. What should others do when it’s obvious they have been wrong all along? Learn from their mistake and stop misleading others. If they choose to save face and do it quietly that’s up to them. The important thing is that they do it, so people aren’t misled and possibly harmed. Why do you think it doesn't? The vaccine is no longer available for the majority so even if the unvaccinated changed their mind there's nothing to be done. The authorities obviously don't think it's too vital either.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 23 12.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why do you think it doesn't? The vaccine is no longer available for the majority so even if the unvaccinated changed their mind there's nothing to be done. The authorities obviously don't think it's too vital either. Because, as I patiently explained what I regard as totally obvious, the circumstances are now different to when the vaccination programme was introduced. I am unaware of any new variants causing major concerns so imagine that herd immunity has started to play a role in the thinking.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Aug 23 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because, as I patiently explained what I regard as totally obvious, the circumstances are now different to when the vaccination programme was introduced. I am unaware of any new variants causing major concerns so imagine that herd immunity has started to play a role in the thinking. So why not just leave people alone instead of trying to shame them for a vaccination they didn't want to have when they might have had valid reasons.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Aug 23 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So why not just leave people alone instead of trying to shame them for a vaccination they didn't want to have when they might have had valid reasons. When I comment it is inevitably as a consequence of spurious claims being made. Claims which reveal an underlying selfish attitude and a disregard for any acceptance of a responsibility for the welfare of others. Maybe you don’t think that’s worth calling out. I do. If anyone has a valid reason for not being vaccinated then that’s different but I have not yet read one here.
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