Wasn't he defended by the same people who also criticised Matt Hancock for the same?

Apparently if you are a gay politician stepping out on your partner it's nobodies business and is homophobic to criticise but if you are a Tory minister ....

Edited by Badger11 (08 Feb 2023 10.17am)

One more point

Can you point to one person making that point?

We had a referendum and we voted to leave.
We need to stick with it and remember that Brexit cannot be judged either within such a short time or when badly affected by a Pandemic and a war!

If a party stand in a GE on a manifesto pledge of either a referendum or just taking us back in, then I have no issue with that.

My fear, and I concede a certain level here of paranoia around Starmer (and Sunak) is that I harbour a fear that Starmer will not do so openly. He will win a GE based on proclaiming he will not revisit the Brexit question and then, possibly via the mechanism by which he effectively forced Labour's hand on a second referendum during their conference in November 2018, proclaim himself bound by similar again.

I think he is the most underhand and pernicious politician in modern British politics (which is saying something) and a fully paid-up Washington stooge (as I believe Sunak to be as well). And more than capable of pulling this kind of stunt.

But what is clear, from the painful lack of genuine progress in terms of making Brexit the success I believe it can/could be, is that our entire establishment are effectively looking to stall any kind of meaningful moves by way of keeping up poised for rejoining.

Be it remaining in the ECHR to stalling the whole scale ditching of EU legislation then they are doing their desperate best to keep us tied to Europe politically and legally.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I don't disagree. I see people such as Corbyn as my sworn enemies and have no doubts that the old Trot would happily see me sent off to 're-education' camps in cattle trucks withing months of getting a sniff of power but his treatment at the hands of Starmer once he took over are an absolute disgrace.

And as I have bored about on numerous occasions, Starmer was the leading light in pushing for the second referendum policy that gave us Johnson and co. The 2017 GE gets airbrushed out of almost all conventional political discourse but what Corybn managed to achieve in that in terms of the vote was beyond belief.

And ultimately why I believe Starmer did what he did.

Edited by Matov (08 Feb 2023 1.24pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Everyone knew it was a vote until the government got their money. They all wanted a Brussels apartment to go with their Dublin houses and apartments - and silly things like the will of the people wasn't going to get in the way.
Reminds me how hilariously we're talking about joining and helping an EU military. We'd be a massive hindrance - not a help. We can't even man an 80s New Zealand coastal vessel, we have no tanks or radar, we have no jets. The entire Irish Air Corps flew over the other day - I thought I was watching a WWII fly past. 3 propeller planes and some kind of cheap knock off of a Hercules.

Red and Blue Army!