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Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 20 10.31am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Seeing it was so predictable which countries were prepared for it? We were strong in terms of our ability to respond rapidly but quite weak in terms of an existing robust health system, below Thailand for example. We are also a highly vulnerable country in terms of exposure to biological threats. We have one fifth of the number of critical care beds per head of population than Germany for example but the ratio was far better 10 years ago. Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 10.42am)
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Croydon 03 Apr 20 10.31am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Seeing it was so predictable which countries were prepared for it?

We were strong in terms of our ability to respond rapidly but quite weak in terms of an existing robust health system, below Thailand for example.

We are also a highly vulnerable country in terms of exposure to biological threats.

We have one fifth of the number of critical care beds per head of population than Germany for example but the ratio was far better 10 years ago.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 10.42am)

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.37am
ME, targets are missed on specifics like cancer and serious conditions but not in a huge way. There are only so many patients a budget will allow. It's not all about health I'm afraid. Schools,roads,infrastructure,social care etc etc etc. The list of governmental spending goes on and on. As for A and E this C19 issue has probably cut down the time wasters,the regular visitors to hospitals because little Johnny banged his finger or beth banged her foot or generally I'm drunk and dont feel well ad infinitum. What I asked danh and i will ask you when did you last visit a hospital or need an ambulance or the police directly for you or yours. Danh hasnt responded but what was your experience like at the nhs apart from waiting times which tbh will differ at certain times of day or night and days of the week anyhow. Waste isnt just from within organisations, us as users also waste the resources of people and materials.
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The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.37am

ME, targets are missed on specifics like cancer and serious conditions but not in a huge way. There are only so many patients a budget will allow. It's not all about health I'm afraid. Schools,roads,infrastructure,social care etc etc etc. The list of governmental spending goes on and on.
As for A and E this C19 issue has probably cut down the time wasters,the regular visitors to hospitals because little Johnny banged his finger or beth banged her foot or generally I'm drunk and dont feel well ad infinitum.
What I asked danh and i will ask you when did you last visit a hospital or need an ambulance or the police directly for you or yours. Danh hasnt responded but what was your experience like at the nhs apart from waiting times which tbh will differ at certain times of day or night and days of the week anyhow. Waste isnt just from within organisations, us as users also waste the resources of people and materials.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 20 10.42am
Originally posted by Badger11 That is one incident it doesn't excuse the lack of preparation. Other countries have better plans no one has it correct but I think in Europe Germany certainly has the testing issue under control. It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did. It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry. I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt. Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 20 10.42am

Originally posted by Badger11

That is one incident it doesn't excuse the lack of preparation. Other countries have better plans no one has it correct but I think in Europe Germany certainly has the testing issue under control.

It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did.

It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry.

I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt.

Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am)

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Midlands Eagle 03 Apr 20 10.50am
Originally posted by cryrst What I asked danh and i will ask you when did you last visit a hospital or need an ambulance or the police directly for you or yours. Danh hasnt responded but what was your experience like at the nhs Well my wife visits a hospital every day as she's a nurse Originally posted by cryrst As for A and E this C19 issue has probably cut down the time wasters,the regular visitors to hospitals because little Johnny banged his finger or beth banged her foot or generally I'm drunk and dont feel well ad infinitum. Prior to the virus outbreak if I wanted an appointment with my GP I had to book up a month in advance which probably accounts for many of the unnecessary A&E visits. I dread to think what the waiting time is like now and as my surgery is only doing telephone appointments I'm not sure how much use they would be anyway
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Originally posted by cryrst

What I asked danh and i will ask you when did you last visit a hospital or need an ambulance or the police directly for you or yours. Danh hasnt responded but what was your experience like at the nhs

Well my wife visits a hospital every day as she's a nurse

Originally posted by cryrst

As for A and E this C19 issue has probably cut down the time wasters,the regular visitors to hospitals because little Johnny banged his finger or beth banged her foot or generally I'm drunk and dont feel well ad infinitum.

Prior to the virus outbreak if I wanted an appointment with my GP I had to book up a month in advance which probably accounts for many of the unnecessary A&E visits.

I dread to think what the waiting time is like now and as my surgery is only doing telephone appointments I'm not sure how much use they would be anyway

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.50am
Originally posted by Willo It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did. It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry. I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt. Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am) More testing maybe but they have hit 1000 dead so doesnt prevent that. I think they will catch us up so test test test makes no difference by the looks of it. Social distancing is the only way atm to stop this. Sweden will see a huge rise soon I'm sure but liberty not affected. Might be the wrong choice farther on for them.
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The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.50am

Originally posted by Willo

It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did.

It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry.

I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt.

Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am)

More testing maybe but they have hit 1000 dead so doesnt prevent that. I think they will catch us up so test test test makes no difference by the looks of it. Social distancing is the only way atm to stop this. Sweden will see a huge rise soon I'm sure but liberty not affected. Might be the wrong choice farther on for them.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 20 10.52am
Originally posted by Willo It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did. It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry. I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt. Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am) Matt Hancock said all this the other day in the 5pm session. We have the scientists and labs but not the production (companies) that Germany has. It’s all still a Sh1t show. I took it as him giving reasons rather than excuses but not all will. COYP
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Caterham 03 Apr 20 10.52am

Originally posted by Willo

It has been reported that Germany developed a diagnostic test,to see if someone currently has the virus,a month before the UK did.

It has also been reported that it had advantages such as more laboratories and a larger manufacturing industry.

I suspect that all countries will reflect on their approach and response to Covid-19 to determine what lessons can be learnt.

Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2020 10.43am)

Matt Hancock said all this the other day in the 5pm session. We have the scientists and labs but not the production (companies) that Germany has.

It’s all still a Sh1t show. I took it as him giving reasons rather than excuses but not all will.

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 03 Apr 20 10.54am
Originally posted by Mapletree We were strong in terms of our ability to respond rapidly but quite weak in terms of an existing robust health system, below Thailand for example. We are also a highly vulnerable country in terms of exposure to biological threats. We have one fifth of the number of critical care beds per head of population than Germany for example but the ratio was far better 10 years ago. Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 10.42am) Currently 20% of total tax revenue goes to the NHS. A prescription costs £9.15. It costs to have an eye test or go to the dentist. How much more should be spent on the “free” NHS?
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03 Apr 20 10.54am

Originally posted by Mapletree

We were strong in terms of our ability to respond rapidly but quite weak in terms of an existing robust health system, below Thailand for example.

We are also a highly vulnerable country in terms of exposure to biological threats.

We have one fifth of the number of critical care beds per head of population than Germany for example but the ratio was far better 10 years ago.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 10.42am)

Currently 20% of total tax revenue goes to the NHS. A prescription costs £9.15. It costs to have an eye test or go to the dentist. How much more should be spent on the “free” NHS?

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.54am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Prior to the virus outbreak if I wanted an appointment with my GP I had to book up a month in advance which probably accounts for many of the unnecessary A&E visits. I dread to think what the waiting time is like now and as my surgery is only doing telephone appointments I'm not sure how much use they would be anyway Your last line. If you are that ill then go to A and E, that's always the case. There is an argument that allowing the body to heal itself is better anyway. You have to admit though that many docs appointments are from people who probably dont need to see them.
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The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.54am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Prior to the virus outbreak if I wanted an appointment with my GP I had to book up a month in advance which probably accounts for many of the unnecessary A&E visits.

I dread to think what the waiting time is like now and as my surgery is only doing telephone appointments I'm not sure how much use they would be anyway

Your last line.
If you are that ill then go to A and E, that's always the case. There is an argument that allowing the body to heal itself is better anyway. You have to admit though that many docs appointments are from people who probably dont need to see them.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 20 10.56am
Originally posted by cryrst More testing maybe but they have hit 1000 dead so doesnt prevent that. I think they will catch us up so test test test makes no difference by the looks of it. Social distancing is the only way atm to stop this. Sweden will see a huge rise soon I'm sure but liberty not affected. Might be the wrong choice farther on for them. You think? Or maybe look at the data instead Compare Germany's CFR with that of other countries. Also, Germany has less than a third of the 'attack rate' of the UK. Doing something right it seems Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 11.04am)
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Croydon 03 Apr 20 10.56am

Originally posted by cryrst

You think?

Or maybe look at the data instead

Compare Germany's CFR with that of other countries.

Also, Germany has less than a third of the 'attack rate' of the UK. Doing something right it seems

Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2020 11.04am)

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.58am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Currently 20% of total tax revenue goes to the NHS. A prescription costs £9.15. It costs to have an eye test or go to the dentist. How much more should be spent on the “free” NHS? And only 1 in 5 pay for prescriptions any way. A large amount is for old people who are being given multiple drugs to counter one that doesnt agree with them. I wonder if as many people would notice if they were given placebos. A lot is mind over matter. The body is an amazing evolved bit of kit really.
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The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.58am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Currently 20% of total tax revenue goes to the NHS. A prescription costs £9.15. It costs to have an eye test or go to the dentist. How much more should be spent on the “free” NHS?

And only 1 in 5 pay for prescriptions any way. A large amount is for old people who are being given multiple drugs to counter one that doesnt agree with them. I wonder if as many people would notice if they were given placebos. A lot is mind over matter. The body is an amazing evolved bit of kit really.

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.59am
Originally posted by Mapletree You think? Or maybe look at the data instead Compare Germany's CFR with that of other countries. Cfr ?
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The garden of England 03 Apr 20 10.59am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You think?

Or maybe look at the data instead

Compare Germany's CFR with that of other countries.

Cfr ?

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Midlands Eagle 03 Apr 20 11.00am
Originally posted by cryrst More testing maybe but they have hit 1000 dead so doesnt prevent that. I think they will catch us up so test test test makes no difference by the looks of it. Social distancing is the only way atm to stop this. Sweden will see a huge rise soon I'm sure but liberty not affected. Might be the wrong choice farther on for them. I was chatting to a friend of mine in Kefalonia last week. The island had been in lockdown for a couple of weeks and had no reported cases of corona virus until a couple of days before when a Swede arrived complete with infection. I haven't spoken to her since so don't know how many others he managed to infect
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03 Apr 20 11.00am

Originally posted by cryrst

More testing maybe but they have hit 1000 dead so doesnt prevent that. I think they will catch us up so test test test makes no difference by the looks of it. Social distancing is the only way atm to stop this. Sweden will see a huge rise soon I'm sure but liberty not affected. Might be the wrong choice farther on for them.

I was chatting to a friend of mine in Kefalonia last week. The island had been in lockdown for a couple of weeks and had no reported cases of corona virus until a couple of days before when a Swede arrived complete with infection.

I haven't spoken to her since so don't know how many others he managed to infect

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