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Teddy Eagle 10 Nov 20 9.01pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
In seeking to understand why 70m people voted for him the easy answer is there are 70m reasons. However with no empirical evidence just my guessing I would say the following generalisations can be made. There are people with very low IQ who genuinely believe (or want to believe) his rhetoric. Probably balanced against a similar number of numpties who voted for the other old bloke. Like here there are plenty who would vote for a pig if it wore the right colour rosette. Not too many of the vast evangelical numbers will vote Democrat but they consider it their duty to vote. And then there are a very large number of white people who are sick to the back teeth of being rubbished as racists etc. just because they are white. I actually have some sympathy with that view. And there are others. Works for me. Asked and answered.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 9.05pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
In seeking to understand why 70m people voted for him the easy answer is there are 70m reasons. However with no empirical evidence just my guessing I would say the following generalisations can be made. There are people with very low IQ who genuinely believe (or want to believe) his rhetoric. Probably balanced against a similar number of numpties who voted for the other old bloke. Like here there are plenty who would vote for a pig if it wore the right colour rosette. Not too many of the vast evangelical numbers will vote Democrat but they consider it their duty to vote. And then there are a very large number of white people who are sick to the back teeth of being rubbished as racists etc. just because they are white. I actually have some sympathy with that view. And there are others. Well said
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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 20 9.09pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
In seeking to understand why 70m people voted for him the easy answer is there are 70m reasons. However with no empirical evidence just my guessing I would say the following generalisations can be made. There are people with very low IQ who genuinely believe (or want to believe) his rhetoric. Probably balanced against a similar number of numpties who voted for the other old bloke. Like here there are plenty who would vote for a pig if it wore the right colour rosette. Not too many of the vast evangelical numbers will vote Democrat but they consider it their duty to vote. And then there are a very large number of white people who are sick to the back teeth of being rubbished as racists etc. just because they are white. I actually have some sympathy with that view. And there are others. I think Teddy Eagle has a valid question. I don't support Trump but as 70m people voted for him that has to tell you something. It is just a guess but I would say many of those people feel let down by previous politicians, they feel that their concerns have not been addressed. Now Trump may not be the answer but the responsible politicians have a duty to ask why was he so popular. When you live in an area where the factories have closed and the jobs have been exported to China Trump had a point about bringing those jobs back. He may not have had the right solution but at least he was seen as putting America first. Politicians keep on ignoring the people at their peril, they did it with Brexit when minor changes would have satisfied most people. The Democrats will now need to fix some of the inner city issues if they don't then maybe next time around groups they rely on such as black people will look elsewhere for leadership.
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silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 20 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think Teddy Eagle has a valid question. I don't support Trump but as 70m people voted for him that has to tell you something. It is just a guess but I would say many of those people feel let down by previous politicians, they feel that their concerns have not been addressed. Now Trump may not be the answer but the responsible politicians have a duty to ask why was he so popular. When you live in an area where the factories have closed and the jobs have been exported to China Trump had a point about bringing those jobs back. He may not have had the right solution but at least he was seen as putting America first. Politicians keep on ignoring the people at their peril, they did it with Brexit when minor changes would have satisfied most people. The Democrats will now need to fix some of the inner city issues if they don't then maybe next time around groups they rely on such as black people will look elsewhere for leadership.
Wise words. People just need to believe they are being listened to. If Biden vanishes onto the Washington bubble for 4 years expect another populist leader ousting him in 4 years.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 20 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's because the Trump administration did their utmost to ensure that the postal votes in the swing states could not be counted until later so that he could then claim victory on the day and then that the postal votes were fraudulent and should be discounted. This was a scripted sting on democracy spoon-fed to the gullible just as Trump has done many times before. He was grasping at straws months before the election.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In the sixties and seventies Britain and the USA were a little distant mainly because we didn't support the Vietnam war. However both sides got over it with Reagan and Thatcher et al. It maybe we are not now first on the invitation list for Biden but we will survive and he will only serve one term. Perhaps he thinks the EU is the way forward but as previous American Presidents have discovered when the shinola hits the fan many EU states go missing then they realise who their true friends are. As for the free trade agreement we haven't had one before hopefully we will Biden may not like us but the business of America is business so I expect he will get pressure from certain sectors. Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2020 8.53pm) I think it is rather more than that. It's not simply Biden. It's the Democrats and the non-Trumpian Republicans who believe in the EU as an idea. It's pretty much only Trump and his cohorts who don't and if they are now history then the US government is probably going to want to become closer to Paris and Berlin than London. Our close collaboration within NATO will certainly continue but preferential trade terms look doubtful. I don't mind as I think it will gradually enhance the chances of us rejoining.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Hardly. Trump did it openly and without apology. He even said why.
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silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 20 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In all fairness this may not be proven as admitted fact but it appears as close as dammit. One that will perhaps come out eventually as this election reveals itself
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matthau South Croydon 10 Nov 20 10.01pm | |
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Q told us about Kashyap Patel two years before his appointment today. I’m sick and tired of people calling it a conspiracy. Look into it deeper. Spend a week checking their site. You will see for yourself the media are running scared from it Attachment: 267CA5B3-9D98-43DA-BFF6-A7A5AE28D5C7.png (1,793.98Kb)
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matthau South Croydon 10 Nov 20 10.01pm | |
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think it is rather more than that. It's not simply Biden. It's the Democrats and the non-Trumpian Republicans who believe in the EU as an idea. It's pretty much only Trump and his cohorts who don't and if they are now history then the US government is probably going to want to become closer to Paris and Berlin than London. Our close collaboration within NATO will certainly continue but preferential trade terms look doubtful. I don't mind as I think it will gradually enhance the chances of us rejoining. Yawn
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 10.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Have I ever patronised you? Not sure I have. My criticisms of you only stem from your “I know better than you” attitude and your constant belittling of those that don’t share your views. You will disagree but hey ho Whether it's patronising or not ANY comment which addresses the poster and not the post is an ad hominem.
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