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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Hook line and sinker. This was the most in depth video I could find on you tube. The other was an edited 1 Min long one. Pretty much Rand Paul and the CEO talking for 4 mins. I'm no fan of John Campbell as he pushed the government narrative and has now changed his mind. That's fine by me. But this was about the interview not about Campbell winking at you. Lol Sorry but I must pick you up over one point. The one about Campbell getting rich. Yes probably true. However I think those pointing fingers need to go towards the morderna CEO. His profits slightly drawf Mr Campbells. 2 wrongs don't make a right. But there is an ocean apart of difference here. Edited by Mattconrov (18 Aug 2023 11.57pm) Wrong! It’s exactly the same video that was referenced before. It’s John Campbell’s selected part of a meeting featuring just one person trying to skewer a CEO with loaded questions. That person being a right wing Senator, who is a former Presidential candidate and Trump supporter who claims the 2020 election was stolen. He has a history of vaccine and pandemic protection measures resistance, having himself refused to receive the Covid vaccine and been suspended from YouTube for spreading disinformation. If you think he was asking those questions entirely objectively and not from a position of prejudice then I disagree. I think it was all part of a well established approach. One that you and others here might sympathise with but one that needs to be seen in its own context. Campbell is getting personally rich. I have no idea what remuneration the CEO will receive but expect it to be substantial. That thought is not the profit made by the Company. They need to maximise profit, both as returns to their shareholders and to invest in the research that will deliver benefits to all of us. You cannot compare these to Campbell’s monetisation of disinformation.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I'm glad you concede the point. No concession was given or required. It was the point I was making all long.
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Stirlingsays 19 Aug 23 11.32am | |
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Campbell's take on the UK's former pandemic deputy chief medical officer moving to Moderna. Revolving doors between government/regulators and large companies stuffed full of cash and subject to their decisions are obvious conflicts of interest. The sheer fact that situations like this were ever allowed to happen in the west shows how broken these systems are and the sheer corruption of money and power. I'm not religious but the Bible and other religious texts make plain the failures of humanity in these areas....eg 'the love of money is the root of all evil'. It's needed by all of us of course and there's nothing wrong with doing well for yourself but greed enables and motivates the worst of us....We all know it when we see it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2023 12.17pm)
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Teddy Eagle 19 Aug 23 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No concession was given or required. It was the point I was making all long. You say suggesting something happens implies it's all that happens. I say it doesn't mean that at all and you agree. Maybe your logic has been chopped too small to grasp.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 12.55pm | |
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What a surprise. Campbell makes another video spreading ideas that the people who see corrupt connections between government and industry around every corner will gobble up, and immediately it pops up here. Ching ching! I can do no better than repeat what I said about this yesterday. It’s very easy to put a negative spin on things like this but if you step back and away from any inbuilt cynicism and look at things objectively then a different picture can be seen. Those with the specialist knowledge and experience of Professor Van-Dam are in a very small pool with lots of people fishing in it. The fishers will come from Government, Industry or Academia. So it’s hardly surprising to see people holding jobs in all three during their careers. It’s surely beneficial for everyone to have people with a well rounded knowledge and broad experience in positions of responsibility. Van-Dam always struck me as someone who communicates well and has a high sense of integrity. For him to be advising a pharmaceutical producer gives me comfort rather than fears.
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Stirlingsays 19 Aug 23 1.31pm | |
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Once again for those making claims without evidence or those who might be tricked by those claims. All that is required is to view the source material.....apparently 'pulling faces' and nodding is some kind of dog whistle. However, here are the facts....Campbell took the vaccines and boosters and campaigned for people to take them. He has worked helping people all his career in the medical field and hasn't exploited people unlike some we could speak of. He was just as popular then as now. He was making just as much money then as now. Those who make claims that don't hold up to scrutiny are either dishonest....which most of us here already know....or their judgement is so impaired as to make their trolling pronouncements worthless.
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Mattconrov 19 Aug 23 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Wrong! It’s exactly the same video that was referenced before. It’s John Campbell’s selected part of a meeting featuring just one person trying to skewer a CEO with loaded questions. That person being a right wing Senator, who is a former Presidential candidate and Trump supporter who claims the 2020 election was stolen. He has a history of vaccine and pandemic protection measures resistance, having himself refused to receive the Covid vaccine and been suspended from YouTube for spreading disinformation. If you think he was asking those questions entirely objectively and not from a position of prejudice then I disagree. I think it was all part of a well established approach. One that you and others here might sympathise with but one that needs to be seen in its own context. Campbell is getting personally rich. I have no idea what remuneration the CEO will receive but expect it to be substantial. That thought is not the profit made by the Company. They need to maximise profit, both as returns to their shareholders and to invest in the research that will deliver benefits to all of us. You cannot compare these to Campbell’s monetisation of disinformation. Trump supporter, right wing anti pandemic measures and covid vaccine. That's great. What are his bad points?
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Stirlingsays 19 Aug 23 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Trump supporter, right wing anti pandemic measures and covid vaccine. That's great. What are his bad points? He's also been an 'active, licensed physician' since 1993. Rand Paul having followed in the footsteps of his Doctor then Senator father Ron Paul. Sure he supports Trump, but not without criticism. The obvious fact being that Trump for all his flaws is a million miles better and safer bet for America and the world than the current corrupt zombie pervert currently haunting the White House. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2023 5.23pm)
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eaglesdare 19 Aug 23 6.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He's also been an 'active, licensed physician' since 1993. Rand Paul having followed in the footsteps of his Doctor then Senator father Ron Paul. Sure he supports Trump, but not without criticism. The obvious fact being that Trump for all his flaws is a million miles better and safer bet for America and the world than the current corrupt zombie pervert currently haunting the White House. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2023 5.23pm) I enjoyed that
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 10.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Trump supporter, right wing anti pandemic measures and covid vaccine. That's great. What are his bad points? That anyone thinks they are good points is enough. That though is immaterial. What matters is to establish the context of that video clip to see why it was selected and who and why was asking the loaded questions.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I enjoyed that Biden may not be to your liking but to suggest Trump would be better is a demonstration of a complete loss of basic values, decency and common sense. We are talking about the man who tried, in the 21st century in the worlds largest democracy, to overturn an election. That alone is enough for him to never again be allowed anywhere near the White House but there are many other reasons as well. By all means criticise the current President and the administration he heads but be real about who would be a better replacement.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 11.19pm | |
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That it is considered necessary to try to defend the activities of Dr John Campbell is, of itself, revealing. Especially when many of the claims are not disputed at all. It is accepted he had a respectable career in nursing where he learned the communication and teaching skills he is employing now. It is also accepted that at the start of the pandemic he was trying to genuinely help and inform people about a new and worrying disease, utilising his skills and avuncular manner to reassure. He himself was vaccinated. So far, so good. Having built up a following he realised that he had stumbled upon something that was beginning to make serious money. He also realised that it was the sceptics who were becoming the dominant users of his videos. The more critical he became, the more users he got. His videos went from being informative to being misinformative. You don’t need to take my word for that. There are enough debunking exposures by people with genuine qualifications in the field to make that an established fact. Remember John Campbell is a Doctor of Nursing Education. Not a specialist in virology or any other medical science. His skill is in presentation. These days his very clever videos are inevitably full of things that hint at providing support for the ideas held by the anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti-pharma bunch of sceptics who think the WHO and governments around the world are conspiring to keep information from us. Watch them if you must and you will indeed see the dog whistles on his face in the corner. He cannot believe these things himself. He is clearly a clever man, as well as being a highly skilled presenter. That relaxed style is no accident. It’s designed to give you reassurance and confidence. He has though gone to the dark side as he realised his audience wanted a particular type of content. That’s where the money is. It’s no longer in providing reassurance. We all know much more now and have experience and the vaccines as our reassurance. It’s the sceptics who need their red meat. I would love to see him being grilled over some of his videos by a panel of real experts and being forced to have to defend them and his motivations for making them. Maybe then those who seem to think all of the above are lies will at long last themselves be forced to accept they are wrong.
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