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Teddy Eagle 10 Nov 20 6.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The USA was already on an upward slope when Trump became POTUS and in fact it declined a little prior to the pandemic so his impact was actually negative. So that 57% report feeling better off is more down to Obama than Trump. That you regard certain things as positive is fine, there are many people working behind the scenes for years to achieve agreements and some are bound to have come to fruition on his watch. Of course he claims the credit. He always does. The things I mentioned are all bad and they were all things that he did. All things you have ignored. It's not the level of energy production that matters. It's the how it's produced that does, along with how efficiently it is consumed. Not participating in the Paris accord sends the wrong message around the world. Costing jobs is an emotional response when re-assigning jobs is what is needed and must be done. Doubling fuel costs is probably a good thing in that it will force efficiency. The costs involved in dealing with climate change are much smaller than not dealing with it. Do you wish to risk our extinction? As I’ve said I’m not supporting Trump just trying to understand why 70m people voted for him.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 7.00pm | |
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Johnson spoke to Biden today at some length, apparently the first European leader to do so. I bet we don't get a transcript! I would though love to have been a fly on the wall. Let's see if the approach to achieve a deal now gets amended. In other news a commission of international observers have reported that they saw no reasons to be concerned with the election, saying it met all the high standards associated with the USA. If Trump really does hope to make a comeback this is not the way to lay the groundwork. He will keep his base, split the Republicans and ensure the Democrats win in 2024 whatever they do in the next 4 years.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 7.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Try to find your logic as it's gone missing again, although it probably has disappeared for good if indeed it was ever present. I don't blame Trump for there being racists anywhere. I only see it being more likely that they support him and not Biden, especially the white supremacists, and that he has done nothing to discourage them. Can I suggest you read your first paragraph again and not agree you need to take a chill pill. Why so rude to those with a different view to you? Read through your recent posts you are becoming progressively worse, you have always been right but never resorted to so many personal insults that you have done recently
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 7.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Try to find your logic as it's gone missing again, although it probably has disappeared for good if indeed it was ever present. I don't blame Trump for there being racists anywhere. I only see it being more likely that they support him and not Biden, especially the white supremacists, and that he has done nothing to discourage them. Can I suggest you read your first paragraph again and not agree you need to take a chill pill. Why so rude to those with a different view to you? Read through your recent posts you are becoming progressively worse, you have always been right but never resorted to so many personal insults that you have done recently
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 7.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Johnson spoke to Biden today at some length, apparently the first European leader to do so. I bet we don't get a transcript! I would though love to have been a fly on the wall. Let's see if the approach to achieve a deal now gets amended. In other news a commission of international observers have reported that they saw no reasons to be concerned with the election, saying it met all the high standards associated with the USA. If Trump really does hope to make a comeback this is not the way to lay the groundwork. He will keep his base, split the Republicans and ensure the Democrats win in 2024 whatever they do in the next 4 years.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Can I suggest you read your first paragraph again and not agree you need to take a chill pill. Why so rude to those with a different view to you? Read through your recent posts you are becoming progressively worse, you have always been right but never resorted to so many personal insults that you have done recently Obviously wanted to get my message across I posted it twice apologies
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 7.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
As I’ve said I’m not supporting Trump just trying to understand why 70m people voted for him. His base worship him. Some literally. Others hate anything that they feel might lead to "socialism" and Trump exploits that. That there are 2 Americas is obvious. There has been for a very long time. It's something you witness wherever you travel there. In the past that has been blurred by a shared sense of progress towards the American dream. Now one half feels threatened by globalisation and the prospect of the USA falling behind China. So the divide has widened and rather than try to heal it Trump has widened it by ignoring the other half. Making sure both sides are listened to will be Biden's challenge. We all need to wish him luck.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 7.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Can I suggest you read your first paragraph again and not agree you need to take a chill pill. Why so rude to those with a different view to you? Read through your recent posts you are becoming progressively worse, you have always been right but never resorted to so many personal insults that you have done recently Have you considered that all I am doing is responding in kind? Read some of the ad hominems aimed at me before criticising me. You aren't exempt from that by the way.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Nov 20 7.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
His base worship him. Some literally. Others hate anything that they feel might lead to "socialism" and Trump exploits that. That there are 2 Americas is obvious. There has been for a very long time. It's something you witness wherever you travel there. In the past that has been blurred by a shared sense of progress towards the American dream. Now one half feels threatened by globalisation and the prospect of the USA falling behind China. So the divide has widened and rather than try to heal it Trump has widened it by ignoring the other half. Making sure both sides are listened to will be Biden's challenge. We all need to wish him luck. Indeed. I’ve been going to America for 40 years, including a few dodgy bits of Chicago, New York and Los Angeles and how people survive there is a mystery. Of course many don’t survive.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Nov 20 8.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Have you considered that all I am doing is responding in kind? Read some of the ad hominems aimed at me before criticising me. You aren't exempt from that by the way. Have I ever patronised you? Not sure I have. My criticisms of you only stem from your “I know better than you” attitude and your constant belittling of those that don’t share your views. You will disagree but hey ho
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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 20 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Johnson spoke to Biden today at some length, apparently the first European leader to do so. I bet we don't get a transcript! I would though love to have been a fly on the wall. Let's see if the approach to achieve a deal now gets amended. In other news a commission of international observers have reported that they saw no reasons to be concerned with the election, saying it met all the high standards associated with the USA. If Trump really does hope to make a comeback this is not the way to lay the groundwork. He will keep his base, split the Republicans and ensure the Democrats win in 2024 whatever they do in the next 4 years. In the sixties and seventies Britain and the USA were a little distant mainly because we didn't support the Vietnam war. However both sides got over it with Reagan and Thatcher et al. It maybe we are not now first on the invitation list for Biden but we will survive and he will only serve one term. Perhaps he thinks the EU is the way forward but as previous American Presidents have discovered when the shinola hits the fan many EU states go missing then they realise who their true friends are. As for the free trade agreement we haven't had one before hopefully we will Biden may not like us but the business of America is business so I expect he will get pressure from certain sectors. Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2020 8.53pm)
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silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 20 8.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
As I’ve said I’m not supporting Trump just trying to understand why 70m people voted for him. In seeking to understand why 70m people voted for him the easy answer is there are 70m reasons. However with no empirical evidence just my guessing I would say the following generalisations can be made. There are people with very low IQ who genuinely believe (or want to believe) his rhetoric. Probably balanced against a similar number of numpties who voted for the other old bloke. Like here there are plenty who would vote for a pig if it wore the right colour rosette. Not too many of the vast evangelical numbers will vote Democrat but they consider it their duty to vote. And then there are a very large number of white people who are sick to the back teeth of being rubbished as racists etc. just because they are white. I actually have some sympathy with that view. And there are others.
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