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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow


Bravo stirling, glad to see more people are connecting dots.

People just have to look around them and realize it will all crash and they will not afford a thing, therefor... they will rent... and be happy..

Oh and that database they were allowed to do for safety.. that can be rebranded as a social credit system... it's already on our phons.. help green energy, be a good neighbour and hey, who doesn't like snitching on neighbours these days!!

Honestly, I don't even blame or pity people that cannot see this - it's not their fault, Stockholm syndrome.

Almost right.

More accurately, the dotty people are connecting!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 8.31pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Actually there is some truth to it.
Here is a Science paper that none of us can read, hopefully there is a scientist here that WE approves of who can lead us through it all.

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Alex Jones in the past few years has had a remarkable success rate

He has. In conning the gullible to buy snake oil from him and make him very rich.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh I see, our overlords are good people who only want what's good for us.

Well, I certainly look forward to Wisbech, 'owning nothing and being happy'. WE won't have any cause to complain as its for his best.

Yeah, I mean elites working together has never turned out badly for the common plebs has it.

I guess the growth of billionaires and decrease in relative living standards since the 70s has just been kind of incidental.

It's either utter malice or utter naivety.

Personally I do not give my consent.

As Mark Twain said 'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.'.....but personally I think its malice in that he's willing to cover for people who want to control what people can do in their lives and how they can express themselves....he would only have a problem with it in societies that weren't neo liberal.

The elites aren't interested in what's best for the common person, their biggest motivation is how best to rig the system to ensure the best system for them.....it's the same as it's ever been with the only difference being that technology now makes much more possible.

Here is Russell Brand on the WEF only yesterday.

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'It's one big club and you aren't in it'.

The effect of the great reset on the housing market.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2022 3.55pm)

We don't have "overlords" in our democracies. We have representatives.This persistent idea that some kind of overarching organisation controls everything is straight out of fiction. It's just an awful conspiracy theory which, any supposedly educated man, ought to be able to see through without too much difficulty.

There are some posting here who are obviously susceptible to this nonsense, who I feel some pity for, but others ought to be better than that.

That the rich have got richer and the wealth divide wider is not the result of a devious scheme to achieve this. It is a consequence of change, not a reason for it. A consequence that now needs correcting. Globalisation is simply an evolutionary step on man's journey, and as things change, so other things react. Reactions can take time to come to fruition, but they will.

This idea that a small group of the rich and powerful are pulling all the strings is so obviously impossible as to be laughable, if it were not for the fact that it obviously appeals to so many warped minds seeking excuses.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 8.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

People just don't want to see it as it ruins their reality...

What you, and others, are "seeing" exists only in an overworked and easily fooled imagination that likes to believe they are super smarter than the average.

I guess that makes them feel smug, but it's simply untrue.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Mar 22 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

At least a normal clown can make you laugh.

 


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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 21 Mar 22 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Almost right.

More accurately, the dotty people are connecting!

Ok, defend this then.

Covid - regardless of what it may or may not be, the response to covid via the western world has dramatically increased the debt. Billions - billions in debt. Fact. Hard to revoker from this.

Small businesses have been negatively impacted - many gone, many just about able to make it work. That then hinders economy - fact.

Also the mental toll from losing work, being unemployed, job opportunities lost - that's insane. Fact.
Schools, two lost years, both mentally, socially, economically - fact.

To name just a few, the above has had huge impacts on society which is hard to recover from.

Ok, so we have a greater pool now of those indebted to the government - they need work, they need loans, they assistance, mortgages gone, marriages gone, kids lost to gangs, on the streets, mentally unfit...

Reliance on the state.

Middle class has shrunk, working lower classes, greatly expanded.

So, fuel, energy prices, these are going to hurt even more.

Electric cars - as if the families/citizens aren't struggling enough - they now need to get electric cars - as they phase in after 2030 (interesting date).

All those families driving bangers - what they going to do?

Allt hese house appliances that breaks after 10 years, how do they then afford newer ones - well, like now, credit, finance..

It's not hard to see that over the next 5 years we will see a huge shift In society where more people will rent their homes, with gov assistance, many people will be on welfare or assistance.

Food banks more prevalent and families adapting.

TV's, appliances, furniture - loans, credit, assistance.

People will rent everything, knowing they are assisted by the government - they will be relieved

Sounds a lot like

You will own nothing and be happy....

Ok, moving on... how do you implant a social credit system when many will naturally oppose - you do it in a round about way.

Quick, we need a database of every citizen - their name, address, details and then we can confirm if they have had a jab.

We rolled it out - it works - people are using it too. Brilliant. We all know who is safe, where they are and who they are - those unvaccinated or those who never used the passport, that's ok, their details are still there they just haven't activated it.

So, now covid is over - we no longer need to use it, cool... however, it's there... ready to go at the flick of a switch.

Ok, economy crashed, let's reboot the banking system via the government - you are all able to claim a basic universal income, just repurpose the passports - great!!

now everyone collects to a degree and therefor doesn't mind it.

Ok, here's an incentive... don't drive your car on Sundays, for the environment, you get extra credit - ohhh cool... voluntary weekend lockdowns.

Ok, you be a good guy online, don't call Lampard a Mong and you get extra credit.

This is happening in china, this is happening all around us it's not bloody hard to see.


Now, is this a good thing - it can be if the people running it are pure of heart with good intentions.... which, politicians all are right?

Oh and the jabs still on trial until next year.... that no longer do what they were advertised to do... they know exactly what they do and if one day something was to arise it will be 'it was you choice'.

Again, the WEF have a goal... ideally it could be utopia... in theory it sounds amazing.... all looked after, all fed... all given work... if those using it have the best intentions...

But when have we ever trusted politicians and CEO's living in futuristic mountain side bunkers lol...

Again - this could all be nonsense... if so, carry on renting your flat, financing your cars, putting appliances on visa, getting warnings on social media for saying the wrong thing, as government spending increases, jobs get less and ww3 looks like it will reset the world... it's just a coincidence right?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


People who benefit from the system will always seek to defend it.

It's rare for those within the system to rock the boat as it were....it does happen but as the Japanese saying goes, 'the stake that sticks out, gets hammered down'.....So most keep their heads down.

However, the moves towards corporations owning more property and social credit systems....which Blair calls, 'inevitable' are only invisible to those who don't care to look.

I view them as intrinsically anti western and that's something that elements of both left and right can agree on.......globalist bodies like the WEF and others must not be allowed an unelected toe hold on a nation's policies.

They have no "control" over anything. The WEF exists to explore and share ideas, to allow representatives to take them back to their home countries and discuss and explore them there.

When will you understand that co-operation and co-ordination in a world full of challenges, like climate change, pressure on resources, migration flows and population increases, is essential. Much better to do that than argue about it, then fight over it.

Seeing people trying to help us make sure the future generations have a decent future, as some kind of evil empire preying on them, is both insulting and ridiculous.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 9.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

At least a normal clown can make you laugh.

There is nothing funny involved when people see shadows behind every good intention, and sunlight behind evil men who actually cast the shadows.

It's sad that when we all ought to be pulling together, some seem determined to pull us apart.

Shame on them.

 


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The 4-0 victory over Everton was special. I have been a Palace supporter for more than 60 years. Every player put in a great shift and we fully deserved the victory.

For 90 minutes I escaped from the World and my Crystal Palace took my mind off life.

Now I am back to reality. My beautiful wife and 16 year old daughter are in a town called Melitopol in Eastern Ukraine. Melitopol is under the control of Russian forces. There is little food or water, limited electricity and internet, and it is extremely cold. The local hospital was bombed. Life is hell. It is not that far from Mariupol where the maternity hospital was attacked, and at this time there is little possibility of getting them out of the country. I fear that I may never see my family again. I for one am extremely worried.

Eastern Ukraine is suffering a humanitarian crisis which none of us have experienced. Charities are doing excellent work in providing humanitarian aid but their focus is on the Polish border and western Ukraine, whereas there is currently little or no help in eastern Ukraine.

I know eastern Ukraine well and have direct access to volunteer groups who are able to deliver food and medicine to the area.

I have set up a JustGiving page in association with a Northern Irish charity to provide humanitarian aid to the area. All I ask is that the wonderful Palace supporters consider contributing a nominal payment for a wonderful cause. The link is:

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Mar 22 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They have no "control" over anything. The WEF exists to explore and share ideas, to allow representatives to take them back to their home countries and discuss and explore them there.

When will you understand that co-operation and co-ordination in a world full of challenges, like climate change, pressure on resources, migration flows and population increases, is essential. Much better to do that than argue about it, then fight over it.

Seeing people trying to help us make sure the future generations have a decent future, as some kind of evil empire preying on them, is both insulting and ridiculous.


There is zero evidence of any of this good will of which you speak. You just make up crap as you go along.

These people are only interested in control and enforcing their ideas....who gets to decide what is good or bad?

Whether you like their ideas or not...and I don't, as they are awful. These elites have no right.....do you hear me.....no right to have any influence over my life or anyone else's.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I really don't need to "defend" anything. The nonsense speaks eloquently all on its own. I'll just add a couple of points. None of the things you high-light are conspiracy theories. They are just events. Events happen.

Originally posted by Vaibow

Ok, defend this then.

Covid - regardless of what it may or may not be, the response to covid via the western world has dramatically increased the debt. Billions - billions in debt. Fact. Hard to revoker from this.

Small businesses have been negatively impacted - many gone, many just about able to make it work. That then hinders economy - fact.

Also the mental toll from losing work, being unemployed, job opportunities lost - that's insane. Fact.
Schools, two lost years, both mentally, socially, economically - fact.

To name just a few, the above has had huge impacts on society which is hard to recover from.

Ok, so we have a greater pool now of those indebted to the government - they need work, they need loans, they assistance, mortgages gone, marriages gone, kids lost to gangs, on the streets, mentally unfit...

Reliance on the state.

Middle class has shrunk, working lower classes, greatly expanded.

All true, but so what? It wasn't planned to be like that. Covid was an unexpected crisis for which there was no prepared response. Faced with unknown consequences, and the possibility of massive loss of life and the collapse of the health service, we reacted. As we learned, we adjusted. We developed vaccines and we controlled. We averted a disaster, but have suffered consequences, which will take time to recover from. Decisions were made, when information was scant. In such circumstances, caution will always rule. Smart-arses disagree of course, but they weren't taking the decisions.

So, fuel, energy prices, these are going to hurt even more.

Yes they are, especially after Putin's actions. It's going to be very tough, but necessary.

Electric cars - as if the families/citizens aren't struggling enough - they now need to get electric cars - as they phase in after 2030 (interesting date).

Weaning us off fossil fuels is essential if we will hand our planet onto future generations in a way they can live in it. Either you care enough to do something about that, or you don't. I do.

All those families driving bangers - what they going to do?

Exactly what those people who used to ride horses had to do. Gradually change.

Allt hese house appliances that breaks after 10 years, how do they then afford newer ones - well, like now, credit, finance..

There will be schemes to help and nothing will change over-night. My own house was built last year, and is heated by gas. It is much more thermally insulated than my previous one, so although bigger, costs less to run.

It's not hard to see that over the next 5 years we will see a huge shift In society where more people will rent their homes, with gov assistance, many people will be on welfare or assistance


Food banks more prevalent and families adapting.

TV's, appliances, furniture - loans, credit, assistance.

People will rent everything, knowing they are assisted by the government - they will be relieved

Sounds a lot like

You will own nothing and be happy....

These are not new problems. Whether, or when, it will change is a big question, but Thatcher's dream of a home-owning captive electorate seems gone. Societies can function on a rented home basis. Germany does, and that's OK. Getting people off welfare and into work has been a thorn in the side of governments all my life.

Ok, moving on... how do you implant a social credit system when many will naturally oppose - you do it in a round about way.

Quick, we need a database of every citizen - their name, address, details and then we can confirm if they have had a jab.

We rolled it out - it works - people are using it too. Brilliant. We all know who is safe, where they are and who they are - those unvaccinated or those who never used the passport, that's ok, their details are still there they just haven't activated it.

So, now covid is over - we no longer need to use it, cool... however, it's there... ready to go at the flick of a switch.

Ok, economy crashed, let's reboot the banking system via the government - you are all able to claim a basic universal income, just repurpose the passports - great!!

now everyone collects to a degree and therefor doesn't mind it.

Ok, here's an incentive... don't drive your car on Sundays, for the environment, you get extra credit - ohhh cool... voluntary weekend lockdowns.

Ok, you be a good guy online, don't call Lampard a Mong and you get extra credit.

This is happening in china, this is happening all around us it's not bloody hard to see.

That's just cynicism. And untrue. Unless you really believe in "big brother". I don't. We aren't China. We have a Parliament that we vote into office. Try anything like that, and they would soon be thrown out.


Now, is this a good thing - it can be if the people running it are pure of heart with good intentions.... which, politicians all are right?

Our politicians are as good as we want them to be. We choose them. Don't like them? Stand yourself.

Oh and the jabs still on trial until next year.... that no longer do what they were advertised to do... they know exactly what they do and if one day something was to arise it will be 'it was you choice'.

The jabs do exactly what they were expected to do, and are no more "on trial" than you are. It's simply the licencing system in practice that exercises reviews and extreme caution. That the variants have meant increased transmission than hoped for isn't surprising but the vaccines continue to suppress severe disease.

Again, the WEF have a goal... ideally it could be utopia... in theory it sounds amazing.... all looked after, all fed... all given work... if those using it have the best intentions...

But when have we ever trusted politicians and CEO's living in futuristic mountain side bunkers lol...

Again - this could all be nonsense... if so, carry on renting your flat, financing your cars, putting appliances on visa, getting warnings on social media for saying the wrong thing, as government spending increases, jobs get less and ww3 looks like it will reset the world... it's just a coincidence right?

Trying to get the world to work together to face big challenges is a noble aspiration, not a devious plan by the rich and powerful to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Stop and think about it. Why would the rich and powerful want the world to collapse from climate change and see their wealth, children and grandchildren perish? They are humans too. They also die.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (21 Mar 2022 9.58pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


There is zero evidence of any of this good will of which you speak. You just make up crap as you go along.

These people are only interested in control and enforcing their ideas....who gets to decide what is good or bad?

Whether you like their ideas or not...and I don't, as they are awful. These elites have no right.....do you hear me.....no right to have any influence over my life or anyone else's.

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You post something, twice, which is merely opinion and then say there is zero evidence? Here is the evidence. This is the WEF's own website which sets out their objectives. That's evidence of what they say they are trying to achieve. Whether the cynical adherents of every wild conspiracy theory known to man, believe them, is another matter.

Government's have influence over lives. We choose who governs us. Forums like the WEF can, hopefully, influence governments for the better, but it's the government, and us, who take the decisions. You have a vote. Vote against if you so choose. That's your right. I will cancel yours out.

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