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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Nov 20 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh please.

Read this. It is written by The Joint Economic Committee (JEC) which is one of four standing joint committees of the U.S. Congress. The committee was established as a part of the Employment Act of 1946, which deemed the committee responsible for reporting the current economic condition of the United States and for making suggestions for improvement to the economy.

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In short, Obama did a good job of managing the worst financial crisis in history. Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats took strong action to rescue the economy, including implementing the stimulus, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), financial reform and the auto bailout. In addition, the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates and took extraordinary measures to boost growth. Research by economists Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi found that without this multi-faceted response, the recession would have lasted twice as long, job losses would have been twice as high and the drop in GDP would have been more than three times worse.

In President Trump’s first three years in office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) increased almost 50 percent, while over the eight years of the Obama administration, the DJIA increased almost 140 percent—a substantially greater pace.

Meanwhile, Trump's erratic approach has caused problems.

One analysis finds that the trade war with China had already cost 300,000 American jobs as of September 2019 and the number would rise to 450,000 by the end of 2019. Furthermore, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the trade war will reduce GDP by 0.3 percent in 2020.

I’m aware that it looks as though I’m trying to defend Trump which I’m not. Just trying to add a bit of balance to the Tango Man Bad narrative. To repeat 70m Americans voted for him.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Nov 20 4.50pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The stock markets bounced on Trump's defeat.

Best thing to do with Trump, is to shove him down one of his coalmines !!!!


 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 10 Nov 20 4.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you applaud a totally one sided media?

Well done.

Not at all, the guy im talking about usually goes in hard on the labour mps here, their main anchorman, was suprised he wiped the smirk off her face with half truths and lies, she must be in the toilets throwing up- all smilers and hair- spouting nonsense, he didn"t buy it- she even came out with the he"s sexist old chestnut, no, he just don"t like hearing crap!

 

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matthau Flag South Croydon 10 Nov 20 5.33pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Nov 20 5.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Not at all, the guy im talking about usually goes in hard on the labour mps here, their main anchorman, was suprised he wiped the smirk off her face with half truths and lies, she must be in the toilets throwing up- all smilers and hair- spouting nonsense, he didn"t buy it- she even came out with the he"s sexist old chestnut, no, he just don"t like hearing crap!

Fair enough, but you know as well as I do that the BBC,ITV,C4 and Sky are so far away from balanced now that it is scandalous. More than that,it is danger to the spirit of democracy.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 5.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


In which case my question would be so what?
Trump has support in the south which has more than its fair share of racists. It also has more than it's fair share of cowboys, church goers and cactus.

Do you blame him for that too?

Try to find your logic as it's gone missing again, although it probably has disappeared for good if indeed it was ever present.

I don't blame Trump for there being racists anywhere. I only see it being more likely that they support him and not Biden, especially the white supremacists, and that he has done nothing to discourage them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Well we agree then that a full and transparent investigation should take place.
Personally, I don't think this is just about Trump crying foul becaue he is a bad loser. There is something very suspicious about how it all went down. The states last counted had a large proportion of postal votes which suddenly bucked the trend of all the other states?

Alarm bells.

That's because the Trump administration did their utmost to ensure that the postal votes in the swing states could not be counted until later so that he could then claim victory on the day and then that the postal votes were fraudulent and should be discounted.

This was a scripted sting on democracy spoon-fed to the gullible just as Trump has done many times before. He was grasping at straws months before the election.

 


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matthau Flag South Croydon 10 Nov 20 6.06pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Let’s see how the next month plays out

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The Dolphin Flag 10 Nov 20 6.07pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

A lot of the BAME votes come from hispanics from Cuba scared of the "socialism" garbage spouted by the don to scare them , after all, they came to the "land of the free" to escape real socialism back in the day. The fact that most areas where there was rioting and protesting is because they have more poverty and BAME people and the rioting /protesting was about black guys getting shot by the pooooo-lice! A bit like the riots here in the 80"s, the areas with most BAME people, had more unemployment, less chances for employment, more pooooo-lice racism- and all styarted after a BAME person- 2 ladies if i remember- were killed by the poooooo-lice- Brixton, Tottenham, Toxteth, st pauls bristol, Handsworth, all labour areas! Same in the" land of the free", i guess!

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Croydon - using Chicago as the example
- Much of the violence etc. is black on black
- The Police are hamstrung by a Democrat Mayor who is next to useless and just allows it to happen.
- The media and authorities ignore it all - after all they want to stay Democratic and they will not out their own.
The other general point is that when Police brutality happens wherever that might be the demonstrations become mass looting but yet again it is not called out as being a negative way to demonstrate.
It is all wrong and Biden has done nothing to condemn any of it and that is outrageous in my book.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 10 Nov 20 6.11pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

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Croydon - using Chicago as the example
- Much of the violence etc. is black on black
- The Police are hamstrung by a Democrat Mayor who is next to useless and just allows it to happen.
- The media and authorities ignore it all - after all they want to stay Democratic and they will not out their own.
The other general point is that when Police brutality happens wherever that might be the demonstrations become mass looting but yet again it is not called out as being a negative way to demonstrate.
It is all wrong and Biden has done nothing to condemn any of it and that is outrageous in my book.


I have heard Biden condemn looting at telling people to protest peacefully, not burn down the hood, butjust saying that most crime is going to be in disadvantaged areas.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 20 6.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s hard to think of a country whose leader has dealt with Covid effectively but just for a bit of balance last year 57% of Americans said they were better off than when Trump took over with record low unemployment particularly among young unskilled workers, manufacturing jobs increased at the highest rate in 23 years, prescription drug charges were reduced, the criminal justice system was reformed scrapping the “Three Strikes” requirement for life imprisonment, the USMCA deal with Mexico included the requirement for collective bargaining to be introduced there which was previously outlawed, domestic energy production increased to the level that America surpassed Saudi Arabia and Russia.
The Paris Climate Accord was estimated to be liable to cost over 200,000 jobs in America and more than double fuel costs.
Heard much about Isis recently?

The USA was already on an upward slope when Trump became POTUS and in fact it declined a little prior to the pandemic so his impact was actually negative. So that 57% report feeling better off is more down to Obama than Trump. That you regard certain things as positive is fine, there are many people working behind the scenes for years to achieve agreements and some are bound to have come to fruition on his watch. Of course he claims the credit. He always does.

The things I mentioned are all bad and they were all things that he did. All things you have ignored.

It's not the level of energy production that matters. It's the how it's produced that does, along with how efficiently it is consumed.

Not participating in the Paris accord sends the wrong message around the world. Costing jobs is an emotional response when re-assigning jobs is what is needed and must be done. Doubling fuel costs is probably a good thing in that it will force efficiency. The costs involved in dealing with climate change are much smaller than not dealing with it. Do you wish to risk our extinction?

ISIS is still around and Trump had little to nothing to do with pushing it back. In fact he did his best to disengage but was restrained by his generals.

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