I think it is very interesting that you view this as 'success'.

He may win a bigger share than Miliband but he will be wiped out in Scotland and marginalised in Wales, two traditional Labour heartlands. Hardly success and without winning votes in each, he will never win an election.

Unfortunately for you, the measure of success is winning elections and gaining power, thus being able to enact policies. And whom was the last Labour leader to win an election? Tony Blair. Unfortunately if Labour do want power, they will have to use centre left politics to gain it.

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It's a fair criticism. Although Labour are already wiped out in Scotland so not sure people can blame that on Corbyn.

I think it is fair to say that the majority still believe Corbyn will lose the election (and badly). I also think it is fair to say that the average polling is now moving in a direction opposite to that predicted by people like yourselves - i.e. that Corbyn would continue to drain support away from the Labour party.

Now they're just polls and they will be wrong. Which way they're wrong - I don't know!

The polls are still showing that the Tories support has risen since the last election and that has been consistent.

One small correction, if you look back on what I predicted for the election, I predicted a while ago that the Tories would win by a margin of 30 seats. That is consistent with the current polls. I stuck money on this.

You can blame Jezza for Scotland. Look what Ruth Davidson has done for the Tories there in a short space of time. Labour is viewed as a shower there and to the extent that Tories are getting elected in glasgow council wards.

The fact you bring up Ruth Davidson is interesting - and sort of reinforces my point. She's my parents' MSP and is generally well regarded. Theresa May is unpopular in Scotland, but Ruth Davidson is seen as a positive by many.

In the same way, Corbyn can't necessarily be blamed for Labour's collapse. It had already collapsed. And you can make a decent argument that it is the failure of Kezia Dugdale that is the driver for Labour's continuing poor performance in Scotland.

30-40 seats is still where I think it will end up. But I'm fed up of being proved wrong every time I try and make a prediction.

I replied to all of your questions but the post was deleted. To cut it short my belief is that the average British person is heavily influenced by media perceptions. Be it Politics, Football (embarrassingly so), religion etc.

The guardian certainly haven't been complimentary about Corbyn at all. Take a look.

Blair was basically a Tory.

Social media labour seem to have grasped slightly better than the tories. Whilst I think social media has actually been damaging to society and caused a generation of brainless idiots (my generation is included in this ironically), it also undoubtedly has benefits. One being it's a lot harder to create motives, as everything is pretty much open for anyone to read, so basically labour can be more direct with the electorate and it's also open for anyone to respond. The fact the tories presence on social media is limited to me just exposes more incompetence of the outdated and out of touch party. I doubt they care at all though.

I admit that the tories have been smart, and have called the GE at a good time for them. That doesn't make it right though, it's about time politics moved beyond tactics to the extent it currently is. I honestly think had the election been in 2020, Corbyn would be in with a much bigger shout.

Well, I have always thought the Tories would win,and by a good margin.I still do.I'm not personally a Corbyn admirer,as a leader (or non leader).

But,getting 8 points off the scumbag's (woops,sorry I mean Tories' )lead is not bad going,so may not be the total wipe out some predict with glee (as opposed to sorrow on my part).

Personally,am an undecided voter betwen: labour,Green and not voting.

And you?