If Labour can't win because of no support in Scotland then neither should the Tories. Although the Tories got more seats in Scotland they actually got fewer votes (admittedly not many fewer)

That's about right.

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Even some of Corbyn's "Chums" in the Labour party pointed out that the party's vote share in key councils, including Nuneaton had fallen sharply adding that since the mid 80s, Opposition parties had always won council seats in England.

In fact former 'Shadow Chancellor' Chris Leslie commented words to the effect that if Corbyn thinks Labour has done well,he would hate to see what badly looks like.

Another Labour MP commented words to the effect that it had been a very disappointing night for Labour.

I think however though this is a stretch to spin out the idea of a defeat, because were the tables turned, no one from the Conservatives would be saying they'd suffered a major set back - And it points more towards a Conservative need to paint a victory than anything else.

Trends of past years in comparison to elections are less reliable, given that in the last election we saw minor / fringe parties do exceptionally well - and consequently pick up a lot of the 'opposition to current government vote' - In a manner not dissimilar to the general election.

I think the reality is that a lot of the 'oppositional vote and protest votes' no longer belong to the mainstream parties, but to the Greens and UKIP, both of whom picked up a stunning rise in seats. Also the Liberal Democrats picked up well from their last hiding.

Problematic for the parliamentary Labour party and the Conservative Party faithful, is that Corbyn isn't as unpopular as they think. Will he win an election, maybe not, but he's probably more popular with a lot of the core Labour voters.

Problem will be for him, winning swing constituencies seats, necessary for election victory, and the loss of Scotland to the SNP. But as far as UK Labour votes go, he seems to be pretty stable and reasonably popular.

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It was probably an honourable draw. The trouble is that isn't good enough for Labour and the Tories will be slightly happier of the two (though the blue rinse brigade will be having palpatations about the Scottish Conservative Leader)

As for Corbyn being popular, I disagree. Given his landslide victory last year, you would have expected that to translate into more seats in these elections. If anything it illustrates that a relatively gobby few can skew peoples perception of popularity or otherwise.

Voting for Cameroon or Corbyn is like trying to choose between going to the dentist or picking up dog s*** for a pass time.

Neither is appealing but one is marginally less a sh1tty pass time, marginally.

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