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Maine Eagle Flag USA 25 Mar 19 1.01am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Where to start?

You're closer to the facts than every before having wisely, although not subtly changed your stated understanding and substituted in a couple of falsehoods about what I've previously said, but there you go.

You're still off the mark with your comments regarding a deal: for the umpteenth time, it's not a deal.

You are very confused about A50, it's the legal mechanism for withdrawal.

Before we go around in a loop again with added deflection on your part, riddle me this:

Taking your incorrect insistance on A50 mandating a 'deal' (we'll go with this terminology even though it's a treaty and our own Constitution supercedes it, as stated by your link) as firm, tell me:

In the case of "no deal" and no extension, what happens on the 29th March?

Under your completely incorrect belief, we must remain as a 'deal' is necessary.

Again, we prove your position is incorrect.

Perhaps you are not keeping up with current events, but the EU has agreed to a 2 week extension already. You don’t even know the brexit date you mug. Even if May’s turkey of a DEAL (notice the nomenclature) is passed, there is no time to implement the necessary legislation by March 29 anyway now.

If, on the new brexit date, there is no deal, and no extension, then you get what you want which is a no deal brexit which most think will plunge the country into a years long recession.

I don’t think you understand the very basics here.

We need an agreement with the EU on how to leave the EU. That is called the withdrawal agreement, or “deal” which is the antithesis of “no deal”. This is what Theresa May spent years negotiating with the EU, only to have it shot down by parliament due mainly to her red lines.

If we want to leave the EU, we either do it with an agreed withdrawal agreement, or DEAL (notice the nomenclature) or we leave with NO DEAL. Simple enough for you?

There is no such thing as a British Constitution. Various documents are understood to represent the constitution, such as the “Acts of Union 1707”. Please tell me where in a document from the 18th century is leaving the EU covered.

What part of the non existent “British constitution” covers in detail HOW we would leave the EU? This is complete and utter nonsense once again from you. Leaving the EU is unprecedented since its inception, so what document exactly details for example what should happen to British Citizens living in EU countries, in our “constitution”?

You are starting to remind me of Farage, either willfully lying or hopelessly confused.

Edited by Maine Eagle (25 Mar 2019 3.34am)

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Mar 19 5.59am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

yours ? for being on here at all ?

Oh I see, you realised you're not really making a point so tried a put down. Bye!

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Mar 19 6.01am

Originally posted by Willo

Of course a lot of leavers who have suddenly decided they wish to remain.Wishful thinking.

I have spoken to a great deal of Brexiteers, some this evening, and they are fully-gummed to their position and have certainly have NOT changed their opinion one iota.I have also heard this from various people who have spoken to a number who voted to leave.

Losers march.

Time to slumber.Goodnight to one and all.

Edited by Willo (24 Mar 2019 11.30pm)

Yeah but he's probably talking about sensible people

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 25 Mar 19 6.07am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Perhaps you are not keeping up with current events, but the EU has agreed to a 2 week extension already. You don’t even know the brexit date you mug. Even if May’s turkey of a DEAL (notice the nomenclature) is passed, there is no time to implement the necessary legislation by March 29 anyway now.

If, on the new brexit date, there is no deal, and no extension, then you get what you want which is a no deal brexit which most think will plunge the country into a years long recession.

I don’t think you understand the very basics here.

We need an agreement with the EU on how to leave the EU. That is called the withdrawal agreement, or “deal” which is the antithesis of “no deal”. This is what Theresa May spent years negotiating with the EU, only to have it shot down by parliament due mainly to her red lines.

If we want to leave the EU, we either do it with an agreed withdrawal agreement, or DEAL (notice the nomenclature) or we leave with NO DEAL. Simple enough for you?

There is no such thing as a British Constitution. Various documents are understood to represent the constitution, such as the “Acts of Union 1707”. Please tell me where in a document from the 18th century is leaving the EU covered.

What part of the non existent “British constitution” covers in detail HOW we would leave the EU? This is complete and utter nonsense once again from you. Leaving the EU is unprecedented since its inception, so what document exactly details for example what should happen to British Citizens living in EU countries, in our “constitution”?

You are starting to remind me of Farage, either willfully lying or hopelessly confused.

Edited by Maine Eagle (25 Mar 2019 3.34am)

Oh dear.
1) All of our acts of law form the basis of the legal definition of constitutional law regarding the treaty. [Link]
2) As for keeping up with current events?

The EU cannot extend A50. They have agreed to accept an extension, should the proposal get through parliament. This is subject to unanimous approval and change in law.

Thanks to Gina Miller, the UK must leave the EU on the 29th March.

Your ignorance is staggering, your attempts to deflect your own misunderstandings shameless and the insults you hurl good indication that you are well and truly beaten.

When the debate is over, slander is the tool of the loser.

Take care.

Edited by ChrisGC (25 Mar 2019 7.19am)

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 25 Mar 19 6.17am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


Grow up Willo

I think that you as the king of the meaningless sound bite have a bit of a cheek telling Willo to grow up.

His comment was so accurate that I will repeat it:-

"It was the 'Losers march' by the 'Losers movement'.

Bitter 'Remainers' who just want to overturn the result of the referendum.

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 25 Mar 19 6.43am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

If you go back 1500 pages to the start of this thread and read it you will be reminded how we all perceived the referendum. I don’t suppose anyone realised just what a tangle this thing would become, clearly exhibited by angry frustrated recent post on here.
Allowing a referendum opened up a can of worms that has turned into a hornets nest.
What is happening is an example of how political correctness makes most things unworkable.
This needs a good kicking and a heavy hand to get it sorted, neither of which are in the DNA of any politician. They are ALL bar none a complete bunch of soap suds..
And snowflakes!!

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 25 Mar 19 6.49am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This man knows his onions when it comes to the economy

[Link]

How dare he! And you liberals love to pick and choose the "Good guys"
[Link]

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Mar 19 8.20am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Of course a lot of leavers who have suddenly decided they wish to remain.Wishful thinking.

I have spoken to a great deal of Brexiteers, some this evening, and they are fully-gummed to their position and have certainly have NOT changed their opinion one iota.I have also heard this from various people who have spoken to a number who voted to leave.

Losers march.

Time to slumber.Goodnight to one and all.

Edited by Willo (24 Mar 2019 11.30pm)

I find the relative strength of opinion enlightening

Of course those with whom you meet are pro Brexit.

Meanwhile there were two marches and two petitions. It seems to me that whilst Brexiteers would 'kind of like' to get their way they aren't exactly putting their back into it. Whereas Remainers are highly energised fearing major long-term damage needs to be averted.

And by the way, this is a major reason not to have a plebiscite. The relative effects on each side are out of balance. A simple majority does not take into account either the effects nor strength of opinion.

Edited by Mapletree (25 Mar 2019 8.21am)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Mar 19 8.47am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I find the relative strength of opinion enlightening

Of course those with whom you meet are pro Brexit.

Meanwhile there were two marches and two petitions. It seems to me that whilst Brexiteers would 'kind of like' to get their way they aren't exactly putting their back into it. Whereas Remainers are highly energised fearing major long-term damage needs to be averted.

And by the way, this is a major reason not to have a plebiscite. The relative effects on each side are out of balance. A simple majority does not take into account either the effects nor strength of opinion.

Edited by Mapletree (25 Mar 2019 8.21am)

Agreed but isn't this always the way.

The side that loses or feel victimised will always mobilise with a sense of injustice. How often do you see mass demonstrations in this country in favour of the government (any government), You don't.

If people are happy with the way things are or not too upset they don't march.

Now if we don't get Brexit I predict you will see marching and petitions.

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One more point

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 19 9.12am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

There has been much talk about the so called "indicative votes" this week. Of course there is the possibility that there may be no option which receives overall support from MPs.

This is precisely what those campaigning for a second referendum want to happen. Their hope is that the Commons will demonstrate that it can’t reach a conclusion – and therefore Brexit must be returned to the electorate for a so called "Peoples vote".

The fact that we have NOT left the EU on 29th March and it has got to this speaks volumes.At the end of the day 17.4 mill voted to leave and we must honour the referendum and leave.Spitting feathers in the Willo abode.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2019 9.16am)

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Mar 19 9.24am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that you as the king of the meaningless sound bite have a bit of a cheek telling Willo to grow up.

His comment was so accurate that I will repeat it:-

"It was the 'Losers march' by the 'Losers movement'.

Bitter 'Remainers' who just want to overturn the result of the referendum.

Thanks for this insight, although perhaps he could have wrote "ner ner, ner-ner ner" at the end?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Mar 19 9.25am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed but isn't this always the way.

The side that loses or feel victimised will always mobilise with a sense of injustice. How often do you see mass demonstrations in this country in favour of the government (any government), You don't.

If people are happy with the way things are or not too upset they don't march.

Now if we don't get Brexit I predict you will see marching and petitions.

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Edited by Badger11 (25 Mar 2019 8.49am)

That point had occurred to me when I wrote my post Badger. But seeing that there is such strength of opinion on the other side, and a real prospect of some kind of block or watering down on May's proposed deal, I am genuinely surprised at how little mobilisation has happened

I surmise that is because the concept of Brexit is too complex. I think the most vocal would accept a no deal Brexit but the majority of Leave voters probably would not. And some of those would have gone for a Customs Union.

Had we been German we would have started with a plan. Instead we do the classic Brit thing and launch into something about which we know little real detail

This is The Charge of the Light Brigade stuff, not bravery - simply folly.

 

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