This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
Maine Eagle USA 24 Mar 19 4.17pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are still clinging on to the second referendum illogic? Embarrassing. So you truly believe that the entire topic was totally understood in 2016? You were considering peace in Northern Ireland when you voted and had already coined the term “backstop”? You were aware that the entire next 3 years would be a litany of errors and failed parliamentary votes and weren’t listening to David Davis and his “trade deal the next morning”? You were sure that when the PM finally returned with her painstakingly prepared withdrawal agreement, finally aligned with the EU, that it would be utterly rejected in parliament by a record majority? You were aware of the possible economic impact of a no deal brexit? You must have had your magic 8 ball that day. The situation has changed and not just a little bit, but a LOT more is known now. There are scores of people who will feel differently either way now. Rejecting the concept of another vote is embarrassing if you ask me.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 4.31pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So you truly believe that the entire topic was totally understood in 2016? You were considering peace in Northern Ireland when you voted and had already coined the term “backstop”? You were aware that the entire next 3 years would be a litany of errors and failed parliamentary votes and weren’t listening to David Davis and his “trade deal the next morning”? You were sure that when the PM finally returned with her painstakingly prepared withdrawal agreement, finally aligned with the EU, that it would be utterly rejected in parliament by a record majority? You were aware of the possible economic impact of a no deal brexit? You must have had your magic 8 ball that day. The situation has changed and not just a little bit, but a LOT more is known now. There are scores of people who will feel differently either way now. Rejecting the concept of another vote is embarrassing if you ask me. Why is it you people never understand that the vote was to leave or remain? None of you remainers would be arguing about details if we have voted in your favour. The situation has not changed at all. All we have seen is lots of remainers trying to disrupt the process and try to justify a second referendum with daft logic.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 19 4.33pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Complete self serving waffle. When will stop this drivel? The electorate is ignorant of many things and yet we allow them to elect a government on a regular basis. Just let it go please. It's becoming truly pathetic. Will you let it go if there is a referendum and the vote is remain? For the avoidance of doubt, if the vote continued to be for Brexit then I would finally believe that is truly what the people want. At the moment I am sure people voted for a variety of different things and there was no genuine consensus.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Maine Eagle USA 24 Mar 19 4.33pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why is it you people never understand that the vote was to leave or remain? None of you remainers would be arguing about details if we have voted in your favour. The situation has not changed at all. All we have seen is lots of remainers trying to disrupt the process and try to justify a second referendum with daft logic. You cannot vote to just “leave”. The whole thing was flawed from the beginning as certain types of Brexit are utterly and completely different to other types. If that last 3 years has taught you anything, it must have taught you that. There are 20 different ways of leaving. There is no consensus in parliament about HOW to leave the EU. Given that fact it must be the electorate who decide how, assuming they still want to.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 4.39pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Will you let it go if there is a referendum and the vote is remain? For the avoidance of doubt, if the vote continued to be for Brexit then I would finally believe that is truly what the people want. At the moment I am sure people voted for a variety of different things and there was no genuine consensus. Please stop.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 24 Mar 19 4.40pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So you truly believe that the entire topic was totally understood in 2016? You were considering peace in Northern Ireland when you voted and had already coined the term “backstop”? You were aware that the entire next 3 years would be a litany of errors and failed parliamentary votes and weren’t listening to David Davis and his “trade deal the next morning”? You were sure that when the PM finally returned with her painstakingly prepared withdrawal agreement, finally aligned with the EU, that it would be utterly rejected in parliament by a record majority? You were aware of the possible economic impact of a no deal brexit? You must have had your magic 8 ball that day. The situation has changed and not just a little bit, but a LOT more is known now. There are scores of people who will feel differently either way now. Rejecting the concept of another vote is embarrassing if you ask me. _______________________________________________________ You do know how many a score is, right? Clue: it’s less than 21.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 4.45pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You cannot vote to just “leave”. The whole thing was flawed from the beginning as certain types of Brexit are utterly and completely different to other types. If that last 3 years has taught you anything, it must have taught you that. There are 20 different ways of leaving. There is no consensus in parliament about HOW to leave the EU. Given that fact it must be the electorate who decide how, assuming they still want to. Parliament decided to hold a referendum. That is history. The leaving process itself was the job of politicians, and they have made a total mess of it largely because half of them are trying to subvert the democratic process as promised before the referendum.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Maine Eagle USA 24 Mar 19 4.49pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Parliament decided to hold a referendum. That is history. The leaving process itself was the job of politicians, and they have made a total mess of it largely because half of them are trying to subvert the democratic process as promised before the referendum. Well played on not addressing a single thing I said The simple fact is what I already said. There is no agreement on how to leave the EU. You can bleat on and on with Farage esque “leave means leave” rhetoric but it won’t change that core fact. How we leave the EU cannot be resolved by politicians therefore it must be voted on again by the people, because there is no way this government is signing off on a no deal brexit.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
ChrisGC Wantage 24 Mar 19 5.06pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Will you let it go if there is a referendum and the vote is remain? For the avoidance of doubt, if the vote continued to be for Brexit then I would finally believe that is truly what the people want. At the moment I am sure people voted for a variety of different things and there was no genuine consensus. Well, there was a general consensus. It was a binary choice ffs. It came up leave. Just because they've danced about for nearly three years trying to force the losing choice doesn't validate any of this other nonsense.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 5.06pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Well played on not addressing a single thing I said The simple fact is what I already said. There is no agreement on how to leave the EU. You can bleat on and on with Farage esque “leave means leave” rhetoric but it won’t change that core fact. How we leave the EU cannot be resolved by politicians therefore it must be voted on again by the people, because there is no way this government is signing off on a no deal brexit. So the people are too dumb to know what is best for them but they are clever enough to decide what to do when Parliament has spent months deliberately trying to avoid leaving? Can you hear yourself? Parliament needs to do what was promised and get us out of Europe. Nothing else is acceptable.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 24 Mar 19 5.09pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Well played on not addressing a single thing I said The simple fact is what I already said. There is no agreement on how to leave the EU. You can bleat on and on with Farage esque “leave means leave” rhetoric but it won’t change that core fact. How we leave the EU cannot be resolved by politicians therefore it must be voted on again by the people, because there is no way this government is signing off on a no deal brexit. _______________________________________________________ But that is the point of electing politicians. They can’t then throw up their hands and say “This is too hard. Have another vote so we don’t have to go through it”.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Maine Eagle USA 24 Mar 19 5.12pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So the people are too dumb to know what is best for them but they are clever enough to decide what to do when Parliament has spent months deliberately trying to avoid leaving? Can you hear yourself? Parliament needs to do what was promised and get us out of Europe. Nothing else is acceptable. People know a lot more now than they did in 2016, which is what I said before in my first post. You may have noticed but parliament is unable to get us out of Europe. It has failed to agree how to do that. Perhaps you have noticed? In the absence of parliament agreeing how to do that, you have 2 other options. No deal or a people’s vote. People begging for no deal are the truly dumb ones. Begging to have less money and a worse economy, it’s comedy. People’s vote is the only way forward and canceling the whole sh*t show should be on the ballot aswell.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.