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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 19 10.07pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I understand your argument but I don't agree with it. "Robinson" has deliberately flouted and challenged the law. He has invited what has happened to him, despite being given s suspended sentence. That you believe that others deserve imprisonment more than he does because of more serious crimes may, or may not be true, but doing what he did cannot be ignored and the only course open to the Judge who found him guilty was to send him to prison. You simply cannot warn someone that is what will happen the next time and then just let them off, or warn them again, when they do it. It isn't just for "Robinson" that that principle is important. It is for everyone to know that if you flout the law you get punished. The problem is though that it doesn't at all work like that. A case you will remember is the 18/19 year old that tried to attack someone in a car with a Zombie Knife in Thornton Heath/ West Norwood. He had already offended several times and was on a suspended sentence. He just got another 12 months suspended. That is just the tip of the iceberg. So why all this about Robinson? Who is more likely to hurt me or you or the general public, Robinson or someone who just brandishes a huge knife in broad daylight? For me, Robinson's offences deserve a slap on the wrist - nothing more.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jul 19 10.59pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ASCPFC
The problem is though that it doesn't at all work like that. A case you will remember is the 18/19 year old that tried to attack someone in a car with a Zombie Knife in Thornton Heath/ West Norwood. He had already offended several times and was on a suspended sentence. He just got another 12 months suspended. That is just the tip of the iceberg. So why all this about Robinson? Who is more likely to hurt me or you or the general public, Robinson or someone who just brandishes a huge knife in broad daylight? For me, Robinson's offences deserve a slap on the wrist - nothing more. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but you aren't the Judge who is in possession of all the facts in either of these cases. Nor am I by the way. In fact I know nothing of the other case so cannot offer any kind of opinion. Judges are very well trained and experienced to know what is appropriate in each set of circumstances to both punish, ensure there is no repeat offence and serve as a warning to others. If a suspended sentence is conditional upon attending re-education courses, or even psychiatric counselling etc etc then it could be that a Judge might decide that an 18/19 year old would be best kept out of prison. Neither of us should second guess a Judge.
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cryrst The garden of England 22 Jul 19 11.09pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I told you it doesn't have a yes or no answer! It depends what the thing is. You could agree with him that bake beans are healthier than peas and that has no bearing on it. If you both agreed that that Asians are inferior to Europeans then probably. Let me be specific enough for a 7 year old.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Jul 19 11.09pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but you aren't the Judge who is in possession of all the facts in either of these cases. Nor am I by the way. In fact I know nothing of the other case so cannot offer any kind of opinion. Judges are very well trained and experienced to know what is appropriate in each set of circumstances to both punish, ensure there is no repeat offence and serve as a warning to others. If a suspended sentence is conditional upon attending re-education courses, or even psychiatric counselling etc etc then it could be that a Judge might decide that an 18/19 year old would be best kept out of prison. Neither of us should second guess a Judge. So you're opinion(s) are as worthless as some of those you disagree with then?
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W12 23 Jul 19 9.30am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but you aren't the Judge who is in possession of all the facts in either of these cases. Nor am I by the way. In fact I know nothing of the other case so cannot offer any kind of opinion. Judges are very well trained and experienced to know what is appropriate in each set of circumstances to both punish, ensure there is no repeat offence and serve as a warning to others. If a suspended sentence is conditional upon attending re-education courses, or even psychiatric counselling etc etc then it could be that a Judge might decide that an 18/19 year old would be best kept out of prison. Neither of us should second guess a Judge. OK, as a thought experiment assume for the moment that there *was* a politically biased judiciary then run your logic again. Then look at the in-group bias graphs here:
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 19 10.09am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cryrst
Let me be specific enough for a 7 year old. Now that is a very specific question. Not sure though that a 7 year old would really comprehend it, but never mind. If you, or "Robinson" decided that it was correct to publicise these events because of the background of the people involved then yes you would both be racists. If you decided to do it because they were committing acts against children, and you believed you were helping society by publicising them, then no you wouldn't be. In either case though I would take issue because the correct way to handle such things, as you suggest, would be to report it. The way to report it is to the appropriate authorities, so that they can handle it professionally and not risk contaminating due process. If you weren't satisfied with their response then you complain, and if the complaint fails then you contact your MP. What you don't do is take the law into your own hands, or become an internet vigilante.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 19 10.10am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Jimenez
So you're opinion(s) are as worthless as some of those you disagree with then? No, but others may have other opinions and disagree.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 19 10.17am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by W12
OK, as a thought experiment assume for the moment that there *was* a politically biased judiciary then run your logic again. Then look at the in-group bias graphs here: There are an awful lot of assumptions in play there, the first being that "woke" is a real thing. Another is that there could be a politically biased judiciary, which I don't believe there is, or could be, whatever pressures and biases exist in the general population. Their training ensures they are immune to such things. So the logic remains completely intact.
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Jul 19 10.31am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Now that is a very specific question. Not sure though that a 7 year old would really comprehend it, but never mind. If you, or "Robinson" decided that it was correct to publicise these events because of the background of the people involved then yes you would both be racists. If you decided to do it because they were committing acts against children, and you believed you were helping society by publicising them, then no you wouldn't be. In either case though I would take issue because the correct way to handle such things, as you suggest, would be to report it. The way to report it is to the appropriate authorities, so that they can handle it professionally and not risk contaminating due process. If you weren't satisfied with their response then you complain, and if the complaint fails then you contact your MP. What you don't do is take the law into your own hands, or become an internet vigilante. But the reason that you would highlight the heritage of a majority of the grooming gangs would be to stop the police wasting time.
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Jul 19 10.33am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There are an awful lot of assumptions in play there, the first being that "woke" is a real thing. Another is that there could be a politically biased judiciary, which I don't believe there is, or could be, whatever pressures and biases exist in the general population. Their training ensures they are immune to such things. So the logic remains completely intact. Political bias!
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Jul 19 10.35am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Now that is a very specific question. Not sure though that a 7 year old would really comprehend it, but never mind. If you, or "Robinson" decided that it was correct to publicise these events because of the background of the people involved then yes you would both be racists. If you decided to do it because they were committing acts against children, and you believed you were helping society by publicising them, then no you wouldn't be. In either case though I would take issue because the correct way to handle such things, as you suggest, would be to report it. The way to report it is to the appropriate authorities, so that they can handle it professionally and not risk contaminating due process. If you weren't satisfied with their response then you complain, and if the complaint fails then you contact your MP. What you don't do is take the law into your own hands, or become an internet vigilante. And not because they were of a different heritage.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 19 11.32am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cryrst
Political bias! Another response which has no connection to my comment! That there are thieves everywhere has nothing to do with the way Judges approach their work.
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