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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 19 1.28pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Had to laugh at the end of another pointless debate on BBC1 last night. After an hour of interrupting everyone, the annoying Labour mp. Angela Rayner took her opportunity on Farage. Someone accused Farage of using immigration for the reason he was late to a Brexit party conference via the M4. He quite rightly replied about how many millions of more people while Angela Rayner just kept scowling from a foot away into his face of how disgusting he is. Farage just kept quoting the numbers and holding his hands up and asking her if she’d acknowledge it with a few ‘There we are’ quotes. The whole thing can’t end soon enough. Get on with what is voted for, stop interrupting and blocking it all so we can move on and focus on British citizens and not allowing the whole world to vote on what’s best for Britain. Yep, this forum is the only political action I can be bothered with. The end of this election can't come quickly enough. When you funnel it down the left are about empathy and the right are about order. After a while, all the rest of it becomes variations of noise. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 1.29pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Dec 19 1.28pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Had to laugh at the end of another pointless debate on BBC1 last night. After an hour of interrupting everyone, the annoying Labour mp. Angela Rayner took her opportunity on Farage. Someone accused Farage of using immigration for the reason he was late to a Brexit party conference via the M4. He quite rightly replied about how many millions of more people while Angela Rayner just kept scowling from a foot away into his face of how disgusting he is. Farage just kept quoting the numbers and holding his hands up and asking her if she’d acknowledge it with a few ‘There we are’ quotes.

The whole thing can’t end soon enough. Get on with what is voted for, stop interrupting and blocking it all so we can move on and focus on British citizens and not allowing the whole world to vote on what’s best for Britain.

Yep, this forum is the only political action I can be bothered with. The end of this election can't come quickly enough.

When you funnel it down the left are about empathy and the right are about order. After a while, all the rest of it becomes variations of noise.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 1.29pm)

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.31pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman After an hour of interrupting everyone, the annoying Labour mp. Angela Rayner took her opportunity on Farage. I only caught about half an hour of the program but that included her tirade against Nigel Farage and he has my admiration for not punching the cow as I'm sure I would have done
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10 Dec 19 1.31pm

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

After an hour of interrupting everyone, the annoying Labour mp. Angela Rayner took her opportunity on Farage.

I only caught about half an hour of the program but that included her tirade against Nigel Farage and he has my admiration for not punching the cow as I'm sure I would have done

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The hospital itself, the Chief Medical Officer and the Chief Executive have all confirmed the story to be true. What kind of parent leaves a four year old child with suspected pneumonia on the floor instead of holding him like any decent parent would do
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10 Dec 19 1.33pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The hospital itself, the Chief Medical Officer and the Chief Executive have all confirmed the story to be true.

What kind of parent leaves a four year old child with suspected pneumonia on the floor instead of holding him like any decent parent would do

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Dec 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Mmmm....that's a bit paranoid Dan. They had a chair and there were beds available in the hospital. I'm hearing that this child went home the same day. Political capital being made off of a photo three days before an election.....Not buying it. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 1.24pm) Not sure it’s paranoid - the Facebook comment you linked yesterday whilst conclusively claiming the photo as fake is a bot - the same message has cropped up all over social media. I wonder who put that out there. Where is the information about the beds being available and when he went home? Why did the hospital see fit to apologise to the parents, specifying that they were sorry no beds were available? Attachment: 603417E1-E0C6-4F8D-B9A4-13AC923C34D4.jpeg (234.45Kb)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmm....that's a bit paranoid Dan.

They had a chair and there were beds available in the hospital. I'm hearing that this child went home the same day.

Political capital being made off of a photo three days before an election.....Not buying it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 1.24pm)

Not sure it’s paranoid - the Facebook comment you linked yesterday whilst conclusively claiming the photo as fake is a bot - the same message has cropped up all over social media. I wonder who put that out there.

Where is the information about the beds being available and when he went home? Why did the hospital see fit to apologise to the parents, specifying that they were sorry no beds were available?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Dec 19 1.34pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle What kind of parent leaves a four year old child with suspected pneumonia on the floor instead of holding him like any decent parent would do Oh right, so now it’s the parents fault, not a trick. Sorry, I can’t keep up.
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SE19 10 Dec 19 1.34pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What kind of parent leaves a four year old child with suspected pneumonia on the floor instead of holding him like any decent parent would do

Oh right, so now it’s the parents fault, not a trick.

Sorry, I can’t keep up.

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.34pm
Originally posted by Painter As a distraction from all the promises of giveaways that will never happen, Ms Swinson is resorting to wearing low plunging neckline to show off her considerable appendage. Has she only got one then?
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Midlands Eagle

10 Dec 19 1.34pm

Originally posted by Painter

As a distraction from all the promises of giveaways that will never happen, Ms Swinson is resorting to wearing low plunging neckline to show off her considerable appendage.

Has she only got one then?

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.35pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Oh right, so now it’s the parents fault, not a trick. Sorry, I can’t keep up. You're obviously not a parent so I won't try and explain
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Midlands Eagle

10 Dec 19 1.35pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Oh right, so now it’s the parents fault, not a trick.

Sorry, I can’t keep up.

You're obviously not a parent so I won't try and explain

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Dec 19 1.35pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman One child on the floor. What about the others? There must’ve been others, no? If we shift the goalposts enough times, I’m sure we can prove this as a hoax/parents fault/staged - let’s keep trying lads.
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SE19 10 Dec 19 1.35pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

One child on the floor. What about the others? There must’ve been others, no?

If we shift the goalposts enough times, I’m sure we can prove this as a hoax/parents fault/staged - let’s keep trying lads.

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 19 1.40pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Not sure it’s paranoid - the Facebook comment you linked yesterday whilst conclusively claiming the photo as fake is a bot - the same message has cropped up all over social media. I wonder who put that out there. Where is the information about the beds being available and when he went home? Why did the hospital see fit to apologise to the parents, specifying that they were sorry no beds were available? If it was a bot used for political purposes then I don't agree with or support that. I wasn't aware of that at the time and apologise. What matters much more is whether the information is true or not. As far as I'm aware the releases from the hospital don't support the claims made that a nurse(s) placed this child on the floor and absence of that shows the reality....at least to me....that is was a staged and politicised action. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Dec 19 1.40pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Where is the information about the beds being available and when he went home? Why did the hospital see fit to apologise to the parents, specifying that they were sorry no beds were available?

If it was a bot used for political purposes then I don't agree with or support that. I wasn't aware of that at the time and apologise.

What matters much more is whether the information is true or not.

As far as I'm aware the releases from the hospital don't support the claims made that a nurse(s) placed this child on the floor and absence of that shows the reality....at least to me....that is was a staged and politicised action.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.43pm
Perhaps Mr DannsNow might like to remind themselves of what the NHS was like under his beloved Labour Government so here's an article from The Telegraph in May 2008 under the heading "NHS hospitals lose 32,000 beds in a decade" [Link] For those that don't want to follow the link here are some extracts:- The cutbacks mean increasing numbers of hospitals are going on "black alert" – which involves closing their doors to new patients because they are full. Patients' groups described the loss of the beds, at a time when overcrowded wards have seen soaring rates of killer infections, as "a national scandal". The reduction contradicts a pledge from Tony Blair at the turn of the century that there would be 7,000 more NHS beds by 2010. New figures, seen by The Telegraph, show that the number of health service beds fell more than 8,000 last year, as the NHS began a reorganisation process which will mean the closure of dozens of hospitals. More than 40 per cent of maternity units turned away women in labour last year because they had no room. Meanwhile, ambulances have been forced to queue outside overstretched hospitals, treating patients in car parks just yards from accident and emergency departments. The new statistics, revealed in response to a parliamentary question by Ed Vaizey, the Conservative MP, show that almost 32,000 NHS hospital beds went between 1997, when Labour took office, and 2007.
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Midlands Eagle

10 Dec 19 1.43pm

Perhaps Mr DannsNow might like to remind themselves of what the NHS was like under his beloved Labour Government so here's an article from The Telegraph in May 2008 under the heading "NHS hospitals lose 32,000 beds in a decade"

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For those that don't want to follow the link here are some extracts:-

The cutbacks mean increasing numbers of hospitals are going on "black alert" – which involves closing their doors to new patients because they are full.

Patients' groups described the loss of the beds, at a time when overcrowded wards have seen soaring rates of killer infections, as "a national scandal".

The reduction contradicts a pledge from Tony Blair at the turn of the century that there would be 7,000 more NHS beds by 2010. New figures, seen by The Telegraph, show that the number of health service beds fell more than 8,000 last year, as the NHS began a reorganisation process which will mean the closure of dozens of hospitals.

More than 40 per cent of maternity units turned away women in labour last year because they had no room.

Meanwhile, ambulances have been forced to queue outside overstretched hospitals, treating patients in car parks just yards from accident and emergency departments. The new statistics, revealed in response to a parliamentary question by Ed Vaizey, the Conservative MP, show that almost 32,000 NHS hospital beds went between 1997, when Labour took office, and 2007.

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Midlands Eagle 10 Dec 19 1.46pm
Another article from May 2008 describing the NHS under Labour's watch:- More than 8,400 beds were cut in the year ending March 2007, the largest fall in 14 years. One in six beds has been closed over the decade. There are now 167,019 beds in NHS wards, compared with 198,848 in 1997. The figures emerged as health authorities are drawing up plans which will see the likely closure of dozens of district general hospitals. The East of England health authority has admitted that two accident and emergency departments and a maternity unit could close. Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, said the Government's financial mismanagement had forced hospitals to make cuts which could risk lives. "These bed cuts were financially driven: the sharp rise in the numbers closed happened at a time when the health service was under desperate pressure to clear a massive deficit." Katherine Murphy, from the Patients' Association, said: "This is a national scandal. More than 30,000 beds have been lost at a time when demand is increasing." In the same decade that the beds were cut, death rates from the infections MRSA and Clostridium difficile rose five-fold. Investigations into the biggest C. diff outbreak in Britain, which killed 90 patients at hospitals run by Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells trust in 2005 and 2006, found that overcrowding amid pressure to meet hospital waiting targets was a factor behind the infection's spread. More than 2,000 maternity beds have been lost since 1997. Research by the Conservatives found that last year, 42 per cent of maternity units had refused to accept women in labour on at least one occasion. Sue MacDonald, from the Royal College of Midwives, said: "We feel the cuts have gone too far." Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, met officials recently after pressures on his local hospital, the Norfolk and Norwich, forced it to declare an emergency "black alert," closing to new admissions, with 10 ambulances "stacked" outside, treating patients. The Department of Health said bed numbers had fallen because hospitals were more efficient, with patients staying for shorter periods, while services were treating more people with chronic conditions in their own homes.
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Midlands Eagle

10 Dec 19 1.46pm

Another article from May 2008 describing the NHS under Labour's watch:-

More than 8,400 beds were cut in the year ending March 2007, the largest fall in 14 years. One in six beds has been closed over the decade. There are now 167,019 beds in NHS wards, compared with 198,848 in 1997.

The figures emerged as health authorities are drawing up plans which will see the likely closure of dozens of district general hospitals. The East of England health authority has admitted that two accident and emergency departments and a maternity unit could close.

Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, said the Government's financial mismanagement had forced hospitals to make cuts which could risk lives. "These bed cuts were financially driven: the sharp rise in the numbers closed happened at a time when the health service was under desperate pressure to clear a massive deficit."

Katherine Murphy, from the Patients' Association, said: "This is a national scandal. More than 30,000 beds have been lost at a time when demand is increasing."

In the same decade that the beds were cut, death rates from the infections MRSA and Clostridium difficile rose five-fold. Investigations into the biggest C. diff outbreak in Britain, which killed 90 patients at hospitals run by Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells trust in 2005 and 2006, found that overcrowding amid pressure to meet hospital waiting targets was a factor behind the infection's spread.

More than 2,000 maternity beds have been lost since 1997. Research by the Conservatives found that last year, 42 per cent of maternity units had refused to accept women in labour on at least one occasion.

Sue MacDonald, from the Royal College of Midwives, said: "We feel the cuts have gone too far."

Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, met officials recently after pressures on his local hospital, the Norfolk and Norwich, forced it to declare an emergency "black alert," closing to new admissions, with 10 ambulances "stacked" outside, treating patients.

The Department of Health said bed numbers had fallen because hospitals were more efficient, with patients staying for shorter periods, while services were treating more people with chronic conditions in their own homes.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 19 1.47pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I only caught about half an hour of the program but that included her tirade against Nigel Farage and he has my admiration for not punching the cow as I'm sure I would have done [Link] She’s just said they weren’t refugees, which is the point Farage and the right are making. This is what we’ve come to. Muppets like Angela Rayner just interrupting and shouting down anyone with anything and everything valid that she doesn’t agree with. Thankfully she won’t be part of making a mess of more than her party. COYP
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Caterham 10 Dec 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I only caught about half an hour of the program but that included her tirade against Nigel Farage and he has my admiration for not punching the cow as I'm sure I would have done

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She’s just said they weren’t refugees, which is the point Farage and the right are making.

This is what we’ve come to. Muppets like Angela Rayner just interrupting and shouting down anyone with anything and everything valid that she doesn’t agree with. Thankfully she won’t be part of making a mess of more than her party.

COYP

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